Venue for Nov 28, thoughts

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by cal828

I agree, but I am biased toward learning history having taken Western Civ, U.S History, Russian History, African History, History of the South and Political Science which in my view was just more history.

WOW that is just crazy to me anyway. I've learned more about history after being out of school than in it. But that's just me. BTW growing up is up state NY, I m quite buff on Indian, Iroquois Nation history. My father was a Indian artifacts pro for most f his adult life. Interestingly enough when I was at Clemson, we lived near Seneca, South Carolina. The small city/town was named after the Seneca tribe that was part of the Iroquois Nation until they probably got tired of the wicked winters (smart Indians) and migrated to South Carolina.

The writings and history of the Iroquois Nation which covered most of New York, went east and quite far up into Canada was a very well developed, governed and managed sub-nation made of up of many different tribes. You may have read or heard of the "Long Houses' they held their tribal meetings in. It's also said that they played a game much like lacrosse is played today. They were much more advanced than most understand. When the "White Man" came, invaded and settled in those areas it was basically destroyed.

Footnote: my father had an Indian artifacts collection larger than the local historic museum in the area. After he died I agreed to basically donate it all to them for a very small fee to cover moving it all there and a Starbucks. Starbucks, HA HA HA, just kidding.

[cal828]

I guess because I studied so much history, I might have a little more appreciation for that sort of thing than the average person, but really, I'm sure I've forgotten a lot of what I learned. Maybe if I had become a teacher, which is what I planned to do, then what I learned might have been anchored in my memory, but I didn't so it's not there anymore.

Can't say that I know much about the Native Americans. I've seen those long houses in books and I think the Native Americans that you are talking about might have belonged to what was referred to as the Seven Civilized Tribes or something like that?

My older brothers used to have a collection of artifacts from a tribe that lived in this area called the Caddo. A river here in Arkansas is named after them and a parish down in Louisiana was named after them as well as a lake.

[JolyB]

The tangents that this thread has taken from its original title have made for very interesting reading. It is rewarding to share a forum with so many well read folks who have a curiosity about such varied things.

I just want to wish each of you a very Happy Thanksgiving and please stay well.

[cal828]

Hope you and yours have good one too Joly and hope our missing players all return safe and sound. I see that Steve has posted something from Fairgrounds opening day. Won't be long before we'll all be learning about the new cast of characters in the quest for Derby Trail glory. Amazing how many have retired since Breeder's Cup. Guess I just never noticed that happening to such an extent before. Anyway, hope everyone has a good Thanksgiving!!

[cal828]

Funny, we were talking about Native American tribes last night and I mentioned the Caddo were Native Americans in these parts and that a river was named after them. I just noticed on the future bets listing that there is a horse named Caddo River. Horse is owned by Mr. John Ed Anthony and trained by Brad Cox. Wouldn't be surprised if we saw that one at Fairgrounds or maybe at Oaklawn.

Some might remember some of Mr. Anthony's horses. His Loblolly Stables had Pine Bluff, Temperance Hill, Vanlandingham and Cox's Ridge as well as others. I think most of these were trained by Shug McGaughey or maybe some by Joe Cantey. Mr. Anthony named his horses after towns and landmarks and even people (the Vanlandinghams)here in Arkansas. I think he made his money in the timberlands here and therefore the name Loblolly which is a type of pine tree. Story goes, if I'm getting it right, that after he was divorced, his wife got all the horses, so now his stable is called Short-leaf which I think is another name for pine trees.

[cal828]

Only partially right about the trainers. Shug trained Vanlandingham. Pine Bluff and another horse, Prairie Bayou were trained by Thomas Bohannon. Both won the Preakness. Temperance Hill and Cox's Ridge were trained by Joe Cantey. Temperance Hill won the Belmont Stakes.

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