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[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

That's right. And that horse will still have, what, 15+ years to breed instead of 17+ years?

Ok got it. So 3 guys chip in 50 grand apiece buy two yr old in training for 150k the colt is a stud cracks a leg cant race again starts breeding at 4 just because and dies of colic at 5 and we tell the guys those are the breaks, thx for playing. Seems like a good idea if you want to prevent anyone from winning

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Ok got it. So 3 guys chip in 50 grand apiece buy two yr old in training for 150k the colt is a stud cracks a leg cant race again starts breeding at 4 just because and dies of colic at 5 and we tell the guys those are the breaks, thx for playing. Seems like a good idea if you want to prevent anyone from winning

This is another classic case of Freddy not seeing the 24-pack for the can of PBR.

Why are we worried about the stallion career of a horse who couldn't stay sound enough to make it through half of a campaign?

The purpose of imposing limits on the age of 1st year stallions would be to prevent this very type of horse from passing on his unsoundness.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

This is another classic case of Freddy not seeing the 24-pack for the can of PBR.

Why are we worried about the stallion career of a horse who couldn't stay sound enough to make it through half of a campaign?

The purpose of imposing limits on the age of 1st year stallions would be to prevent this very type of horse from passing on his unsoundness.

I’m laughing out loud at the first paragraph.

I guess the only issue with what you are suggesting is I’m not sure it solves anything. Let’s use the horse Freddy is talking about as an example. They bring him back for a start at the end of his 3 year old year. He gets hurt again and then they just wait out another year or so and he still goes off to stud duty.

The only real way to change this as I see it would require an overhaul of the game as we know it. Less graded stakes, lower purse money for stakes and less total races. There are too many options available. Force trainers to run their horses more.

The best racing we have seen all year was from April-June because fewer tracks were open and trainers HAD to run their horses instead of shopping around for an easy spot.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I’m laughing out loud at the first paragraph.

I guess the only issue with what you are suggesting is I’m not sure it solves anything. Let’s use the horse Freddy is talking about as an example. They bring him back for a start at the end of his 3 year old year. He gets hurt again and then they just wait out another year or so and he still goes off to stud duty.

The only real way to change this as I see it would require an overhaul of the game as we know it. Less graded stakes, lower purse money for stakes and less total races. There are too many options available. Force trainers to run their horses more.

The best racing we have seen all year was from April-June because fewer tracks were open and trainers HAD to run their horses instead of shopping around for an easy spot.

I agree, most of what you note is would be more effective in improving the way the sport operates. At the same time, the breeding industry is a big driver in the way things have developed. Ignoring that side of things will keep things trending the wrong way. The age limit thing would only be effective IMO if the horse also had to run as a 4yo, not just sit on the sidelines until their universal birthday.

To be honest, I didn't really think about the thread topic too much; I just wanted to use that one liner.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

This is another classic case of Freddy not seeing the 24-pack for the can of PBR.

Why are we worried about the stallion career of a horse who couldn't stay sound enough to make it through half of a campaign?

The purpose of imposing limits on the age of 1st-year stallions would be to prevent this very type of horse from passing on his unsoundness.

Is there anything but anecdotal evidence to support this "genetic" pass-thru of unsoundness theory? It seems like a tough IRB to prove out clinically. I get it, but at this point, they are breeding 2x3 and 3x3 with regularity. Have McClean Music's been less sound than any other stallion or any other won hit wonders? Do you really think just because Army Mule had a truncated career, his runners will be less sturdy than Hoppertunity? The mares the stallions are bred too must have some type of influence? Thank goodness my kids take after their moms or have 3 more wards of the state to feed.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Is there anything but anecdotal evidence to support this "genetic" pass-thru of unsoundness theory? It seems like a tough IRB to prove out clinically. I get it, but at this point, they are breeding 2x3 and 3x3 with regularity. Have McClean Music's been less sound than any other stallion or any other won hit wonders? Do you really think just because Army Mule had a truncated career, his runners will be less sturdy than Hoppertunity? The mares the stallions are bred too must have some type of influence? Thank goodness my kids take after their moms or have 3 more wards of the state to feed.

...and with that, Friar Freddy Mendel smashes genetic theory into a giant lump of mushy peas.

You may return to smashing PSB cans (if there are any left) on your forehead while you await your next welfare check and the first crop of Army Mule babies to hit the track...or the layup facility (whatever the case may be)

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

This is another classic case of Freddy not seeing the 24-pack for the can of PBR.

Why are we worried about the stallion career of a horse who couldn't stay sound enough to make it through half of a campaign?

The purpose of imposing limits on the age of 1st year stallions would be to prevent this very type of horse from passing on his unsoundness.

Exactly. I brought up the basketball entry requirements for a reason. Yes, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant came straight from high school and had two of the greatest careers ever and if they had been forced to go to college for a year, it would have been unfair to them because it would have delayed their ability to turn pro and earn the big money. But the point of making the rule was for the overall good of the game, even though it might negatively affect some. Same with the horses. Again, nobody is saying it would be the perfect solution but an alternative that says do nothing because we can't come up with a perfect solution doesn't seem logical. I think the benefits would far outweigh the potential negatives like making people wait an extra year to breed.

[gamblin4ever]

Make less stakes races and put conditions on them. Right now trainers can pick their spots to run. How many times do you see a G1 horse run against 4 glorified allowance horses in a graded stakes race.