Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The Classic time is irrelevant to the discussion; the timing system was botched and they had to hand-time the race.

Monomoy Girl was just shy of the 9f track record that was recorded in October during the 2016 fall meet (1:47.75, Noble Bird in the Fayette).

Ignoring the new track record set by Nashville in Saturday's first race, Whitmore was just shy of the 6f track record that was also recorded in October during the 2016 fall meet (1:08.43, A.P. Indian in the Phoenix BC).

The track records set earlier in the card were something like 3/5 to a full second faster than the previous marks.

I'm confused as to what point you're making. Yes, if you ignore Nashville's race then Whitmore's looks better. But you can't ignore Nashville's race. So was the track really fast, which means fast times don't yield really high figures, or was it slow, where fast times will yield high figures? I think even if you eliminate the Gamine, Knicks Go, and Authentic races, the other three give us some interesting results. Nashville and Monomoy Girl both ran times that were too fast to get a 102 and 100 Beyer, respectively, if you figure the track was normal. So aren't the saying the track was really fast? If it was the same all day, Nashville has got to be higher than Whitmore and likely, so does Monomoy Girl. If it slowed down for Whitmore (and to be clear, I'm not saying Whitmore's race was slow, just slow by the standards of the past two days), how did it speed back up for the last two races?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm confused as to what point you're making. Yes, if you ignore Nashville's race then Whitmore's looks better. But you can't ignore Nashville's race. So was the track really fast, which means fast times don't yield really high figures, or was it slow, where fast times will yield high figures? I think even if you eliminate the Gamine, Knicks Go, and Authentic races, the other three give us some interesting results. Nashville and Monomoy Girl both ran times that were too fast to get a 102 and 100 Beyer, respectively, if you figure the track was normal. So aren't the saying the track was really fast? If it was the same all day, Nashville has got to be higher than Whitmore and likely, so does Monomoy Girl. If it slowed down for Whitmore (and to be clear, I'm not saying Whitmore's race was slow, just slow by the standards of the past two days), how did it speed back up for the last two races?

My premise is that if the track was still as fast as it was earlier on the card then Monomoy Girl would have broke a track record as well.

It's shaky evidence to say they did not slow the track down because she almost broke a track record (so did Whitmore) and because Authentic's hand-timed race was a track record at a distance hardly ever run at that track.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

My premise is that if the track was still as fast as it was earlier on the card then Monomoy Girl would have broke a track record as well.

It's shaky evidence to say they did not slow the track down because she almost broke a track record (so did Whitmore) and because Authentic's hand-timed race was a track record at a distance hardly ever run at that track.

Ok, I get it now although I still disagree. The point about the 10f being rarely run is a legit one but he still set the record for the distance. I would just contend that if it was so fast that not only did Nashville obliterate the record but also the runner-up Wild Wes probably broke the track record......and they slowed it up to where the BC Sprint winner couldn't break the old record, then I would think that Monomoy Girl's figure would be much higher. Giving her a figure of 100 makes it look like yeah, it was a great time but the track was so fast that it wasn't as great as it appeared, the same reason why Nashville only got a 102.