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Old 11-08-2020, 06:49 AM
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Nashville 102 v Gamine 110 is an interesting discussion... Rushing Fall ran incredibly
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Old 11-08-2020, 08:32 AM
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Nashville 102 v Gamine 110 is an interesting discussion...
Gosh… If only there was a place to have that discussion with someone like Andy Beyer, say at 9:20 on the Monday after Breeders’ Cup.
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Old 11-08-2020, 08:36 AM
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That should be rich. 8 points higher ? How is Beyer gonna wiggle his way out of that one ?
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Old 11-08-2020, 11:17 AM
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That should be rich. 8 points higher ? How is Beyer gonna wiggle his way out of that one ?
What did you have the race on your “no brain cells left dumbass” scale Dan?
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Old 11-08-2020, 11:24 AM
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A buck three eighty.
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Old 11-08-2020, 12:20 PM
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A buck three eighty.
Good answer
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Old 11-08-2020, 01:05 PM
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Nashville 102 v Gamine 110 is an interesting discussion... Rushing Fall ran incredibly
I would think Nashville vs Whitmore would be an interesting discussion as well.
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Old 11-08-2020, 01:31 PM
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What did the runner up in Nashville’s race get Beyerwise in his prior start?
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Old 11-08-2020, 02:27 PM
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I have a basic understanding of figures. I understand that tracks can change during the day depending on how much they water it, how the weather is, etc. This can explain why a track can have nearly identical times on a day and have different figures. I get that. What I have a harder time grasping is how they determine if it changed or not? Nashville ran super fast and broke the track record. Gamine did the same a couple of races later. Knicks Go did the same a couple of races later. Then came the Sprint. Whitmore's time was much slower than Nashville's yet he got a higher speed figure. Isn't that saying that the track slowed down? But then you come back with Monomoy Girl running a fast race and just missing the track record by .09 and then Authentic setting a track record a couple of races later.

Interesting stuff here.
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Old 11-08-2020, 02:44 PM
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Second part of the question. If perhaps they thought to themselves "This is crazy and dangerous" after having Nashville, Gamine, and Knicks Go set track records.....so they slowed the track down.....that would make sense in explaining why Whitmore's race was "faster" than Nashville's race.

But if the track had been slowed down, wouldn't that mean that Monomoy Girl and Authentic should have received much higher figures, especially Monomoy Girl? If she only got 100 after just missing the track record, isn't that saying the track was fast? So was it fast for every race except the Sprint? Does that make sense?
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Old 11-08-2020, 03:01 PM
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My GUESS is they used some discretion to augment Nashville's fig? Let's listen to Andy tomorrow.
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Old 11-08-2020, 04:33 PM
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Second part of the question. If perhaps they thought to themselves "This is crazy and dangerous" after having Nashville, Gamine, and Knicks Go set track records.....so they slowed the track down.....that would make sense in explaining why Whitmore's race was "faster" than Nashville's race.

But if the track had been slowed down, wouldn't that mean that Monomoy Girl and Authentic should have received much higher figures, especially Monomoy Girl? If she only got 100 after just missing the track record, isn't that saying the track was fast? So was it fast for every race except the Sprint? Does that make sense?
The Classic time is irrelevant to the discussion; the timing system was botched and they had to hand-time the race.

Monomoy Girl was just shy of the 9f track record that was recorded in October during the 2016 fall meet (1:47.75, Noble Bird in the Fayette).

Ignoring the new track record set by Nashville in Saturday's first race, Whitmore was just shy of the 6f track record that was also recorded in October during the 2016 fall meet (1:08.43, A.P. Indian in the Phoenix BC).

The track records set earlier in the card were something like 3/5 to a full second faster than the previous marks.
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Old 11-08-2020, 05:23 PM
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The Classic time is irrelevant to the discussion; the timing system was botched and they had to hand-time the race.

Monomoy Girl was just shy of the 9f track record that was recorded in October during the 2016 fall meet (1:47.75, Noble Bird in the Fayette).

Ignoring the new track record set by Nashville in Saturday's first race, Whitmore was just shy of the 6f track record that was also recorded in October during the 2016 fall meet (1:08.43, A.P. Indian in the Phoenix BC).

The track records set earlier in the card were something like 3/5 to a full second faster than the previous marks.
I'm confused as to what point you're making. Yes, if you ignore Nashville's race then Whitmore's looks better. But you can't ignore Nashville's race. So was the track really fast, which means fast times don't yield really high figures, or was it slow, where fast times will yield high figures? I think even if you eliminate the Gamine, Knicks Go, and Authentic races, the other three give us some interesting results. Nashville and Monomoy Girl both ran times that were too fast to get a 102 and 100 Beyer, respectively, if you figure the track was normal. So aren't the saying the track was really fast? If it was the same all day, Nashville has got to be higher than Whitmore and likely, so does Monomoy Girl. If it slowed down for Whitmore (and to be clear, I'm not saying Whitmore's race was slow, just slow by the standards of the past two days), how did it speed back up for the last two races?
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