Anyone know where Alli, NJ and IH are???

[JolyB]

NJ and RQ, that's a very interesting question that you raise. As a confirmed tote watcher, I almost always keep a close eye on how the betting is going and only place my real $$ WPS bets during the final minutes to post. That search for betting value is one of the things we lose because of our current ROI rules. Obviously, that doesn't apply nearly as much for exotic bets.

On the other hand, allowing ROI wagers to be placed under the format that RQ has suggested forces the ROI scorer to do a lot of monitoring of when the wagers are actually placed and whether anyone has had one of their ROI races run. I have a lot of faith in the good will of our players and don't think that any of our group would try to game the system. Similarly, I don't think that anyone would use the all too obvious loophole of placing a $1 wager on a horse in race 1 to force the ROI window to close early.

Perhaps at the beginning of our next contest season this is an experiment that is worth a try, especially if RQ is willing to take the slightly extra time to make sure that no wagers are accidentally past posted.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by JolyB

NJ and RQ, that's a very interesting question that you raise. As a confirmed tote watcher, I almost always keep a close eye on how the betting is going and only place my real $$ WPS bets during the final minutes to post. That search for betting value is one of the things we lose because of our current ROI rules. Obviously, that doesn't apply nearly as much for exotic bets.

On the other hand, allowing ROI wagers to be placed under the format that RQ has suggested forces the ROI scorer to do a lot of monitoring of when the wagers are actually placed and whether anyone has had one of their ROI races run. I have a lot of faith in the good will of our players and don't think that any of our group would try to game the system. Similarly, I don't think that anyone would use the all too obvious loophole of placing a $1 wager on a horse in race 1 to force the ROI window to close early.

Perhaps at the beginning of our next contest season this is an experiment that is worth a try, especially if RQ is willing to take the slightly extra time to make sure that no wagers are accidentally past posted.

If RQ is up for keeping track of the wagers made just prior to each persons bets we can try it. I think it will drive him crazier than your mega vertical wagers but we have time to discuss. As always we take a week off after BC before we start the new handicapping year.

I'm a little unsure of exactly what we are all talking about but if one of you could put it in senior citizen very simple English, I can cogitate on it much better.

[cal828]

I'm with you Don. I need some more 'splainin'.

I don't understand what you said RQ about the case in which someone hits boxcars early on. Are you saying, the rest of us would just give up at that point and not make any picks?

I don't see why it matters to me, if say I want to play race 9, but don't post until just before that race goes off, but someone else wants to play an earlier race. As long as we both post before our races go off, isn't that what matters?

If we do try this, I would suggest that when we post our picks, we do them all at the same time. I don't think it would be fair to you, RQ, if a person plays 4 races and plays each one right before they go off. That way you wouldn't have to be checking so many post times.

[NJ Stinks]

Originally Posted by cal828

I'm with you Don. I need some more 'splainin'.

I don't understand what you said RQ about the case in which someone hits boxcars early on. Are you saying, the rest of us would just give up at that point and not make any picks?

If I can be so bold, Cal, RQ's point is I (or any other player) could wait until a late race before posting my picks. But before I do post my picks, I could check all other picks posted already by other players and see if they won anything yet and how much they won. For instance, if Ruffian hits a 30-1 shot and collects $1,240 in the 3rd race, I now know I need to make a bet in the last race that pays at least $1,241 if I want to win the week's ROI Contest.

Like I said above, RQ raised a very good point.

[cal828]

^^^
Well, I see, and that is a good point and it might happen so I guess we're back to square one. I've never seen her hit one quite that big, but I wouldn't be surprised if she or Roamin did it. The rest of us, I think that would be a stretch. Although, I guess we all have our moments of grandeur.

[NJ Stinks]

Honestly, I don't want to reinvent the wheel.

I don't look at anybody else's picks except sometimes I check out Roamin42's bet because it's easy to spot and fun to follow. After all we are not playing for real money here - nor would I want to. But I get Real Quiet's point. We want to make sure it's a legit competition.

So please don't change the rules for me. My point was that the deadline knocks me out a lot and has no bearing on my selecting a race later in the card to play in the Contest. RQ gave me a solid reason for having a deadline and that's fine. If nothing else, you now know I don't forget to play. Mostly I just run out of time.