Lava Man to Dubai?

#1 01-02-2007, 10:21 AM

I am pretty confident that Lava Man wont even hit the board in Dubai. I wonder if the connections are getting paid to go there by Godolphine. Shipping Lava Man out of Cali for anything doesnt make sense to me.

paisjpq · #2 01-02-2007, 10:25 AM

oh god why? this is so pointless IMO...no way Lava man ships to the dessert and wins...not if he can't ship to KY and hit the board. This is stupid on the part of his connections. He's a nice horse that likes to stay home! Why can't they accept that?

paisjpq · #3 01-02-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

I am pretty confident that Lava Man wont even hit the board in Dubai. I wonder if the connections are getting paid to go there by Godolphine. Shipping Lava Man out of Cali for anything doesnt make sense to me.

I don't know if they pay an appearance fee but they pay EVERYTHING else...I remember hearing stories about it from the Bradley's after Brass Hat went.

Dunbar · #4 01-02-2007, 10:54 AM

Some folks can't wait to slam Lava Man. If you insist on the "he can't ship" outlook, then look at it this way: Lava Man has never lost on turf when he's shipped.

I think he has an excellent chance to hit the board. If he does, all the slammers will knock the competition, as they did for The Tin Man. Or they will say he stole the race. (As they, again, did for TTM in the Arlington Million.)

--Dunbar

blackthroatedwind · #5 01-02-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

Some folks can't wait to slam Lava Man. If you insist on the "he can't ship" outlook, then look at it this way: Lava Man has never lost on turf when he's shipped.

I think he has an excellent chance to hit the board. If he does, all the slammers will knock the competition, as they did for The Tin Man. Or they will say he stole the race. (As they, again, did for TTM in the Arlington Million.)

--Dunbar

Or they will be right and, as usual, the people who took free internet shots will never revisit their bad opinions. But, should they be wrong, I'm sure those same internet cowards will come to remind them.

As an example....where are all of Perfect Drift's ridiculous pre-BC defenders?

Cajungator26 · #6 01-02-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Or they will be right and, as usual, the people who took free internet shots will never revisit their bad opinions. But, should they be wrong, I'm sure those same internet cowards will come to remind them.

As an example....where are all of Perfect Drift's ridiculous pre-BC defenders?

*Raises hand.*

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

As for Lava Man, if the horse was stabled in Kentucky all year as he is California, I think he would run just as well in Kentucky. I don't think it's the track surfaces that do him in... I think it's his uncomfort in being stabled in new digs. Just my take on it...

Sightseek · #7 01-02-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

*Raises hand.*

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

...

Which was?

Cajungator26 · #8 01-02-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Which was?

Didn't he come back with a breathing problem or am I losing it? I could have sworn that I read that somewhere...

Cajungator26 · #9 01-02-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Which was?

http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=21805

blackthroatedwind · #10 01-02-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

Yes, he's WAY too slow.

Cajungator26 · #11 01-02-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, he's WAY too slow.

I disagree, but opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has got one.

2Hot4TV · #12 01-02-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

*Raises hand.*

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

As for Lava Man, if the horse was stabled in Kentucky all year as he is California, I think he would run just as well in Kentucky. I don't think it's the track surfaces that do him in... I think it's his uncomfort in being stabled in new digs. Just my take on it...

I'm a big Lava Man fan, but you're right about him racing at home. Steve told us that when he saw Lava Man at Churchhill for the BC that he was having a problem with his new home and appeared to be a "STALL RACER". Let him be King of California till someone beats him.

Dunbar · #13 01-02-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Or they will be right and, as usual, the people who took free internet shots will never revisit their bad opinions. But, should they be wrong, I'm sure those same internet cowards will come to remind them.

As an example....where are all of Perfect Drift's ridiculous pre-BC defenders?

Agree in general. So, I'll try to make a point of checking back in on this one either way. I hope you will, too.

--Dunbar

brockguy · #14 01-02-2007, 11:04 AM

I think he could do alright. Dubai throws up alot of strange results. would he go for the sheema over 12f or the duty free over 9f though?? Both of them had huge cash injections last year, both worth the same amount. If he won either, he'd win the second richest race of the year..

KirisClown · #15 01-02-2007, 11:19 AM

If the goal for 2007 is to be embarrassed at the international level... then this is a great move...

outofthebox · #16 01-02-2007, 11:40 AM

Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.

#17 01-02-2007, 11:55 AM

I think there is a difference in bashing Lava Man and being realistic. I think most have the opinion that shipping Lava Man to Dubai is not best for the horse. I think he could stay in Cali and dominate on that scene and pocket another 1-2 million

SniperSB23 · #18 01-02-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox

Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.

That could turn out to be Lava Man's biggest undoing.

Honu · #19 01-02-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox

Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.

That is not a completely true statement , you can work on Lasix up to 10 days out from the race , Im not sure about the withdrawl times for bute and so forth , but I know Lasix is 10 days . Pleasantly Perfect and The Tin Hombre both worked at least once on lasix in dubai before their races.

Cannon Shell · #20 01-02-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox

Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.

I was thinking the same thing
I only saw him train a few times this fall but he isn't the smoothest looking thing in the A.M.