Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers: Gamine 110, Tiz the Law 100

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

One was 1:21.41, the other was 1:21.51. You’d think that the figure would be nearly identical.

Internal fractions don’t matter?

[Dahoss]

I’m constantly amused at people who talk about speed figures but know nothing about them, how they are made, etc.

Ignorance is bliss!

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I’m constantly amused at people who talk about speed figures but know nothing about them, how they are made, etc.

Ignorance is bliss!

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Internal fractions don’t matter?

They don't.

For SPEED figures (not PERFORMANCE figures), the internal fractions are irrelevant. When you make a Beyer figure, the only thing that matters is the final time.

Some 'performance' figures may take pace into account when creating a final numerical figure. That's not the same thing as a Beyer or other speed figure.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

They don't.

For SPEED figures (not PERFORMANCE figures), the internal fractions are irrelevant. When you make a Beyer figure, the only thing that matters is the final time.

Some 'performance' figures may take pace into account when creating a final numerical figure. That's not the same thing as a Beyer or other speed figure.

Yeah Phil I already admitted I made a mistake and I was thinking of something else.

Did you miss that post?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Yeah Phil I already admitted I made a mistake and I was thinking of something else.

Did you miss that post?

I did, because it was on the second page.

You were quite salty on this topic though. Maybe just take the L and move on.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

I did, because it was on the second page.

You were quite salty on this topic though. Maybe just take the L and move on.

LOL

Someone’s salty but it’s not me.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

I did, because it was on the second page.

You were quite salty on this topic though. Maybe just take the L and move on.

Be honest...how many years have you been waiting for the day I made a mistake so you could rush in and correct me?

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Be honest...how many years have you been waiting for the day I made a mistake so you could rush in and correct me?

You sound like Donald Trump.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Be honest...how many years have you been waiting for the day I made a mistake so you could rush in and correct me?

Huh?

Don't flatter yourself. I don't know you. I know a lot of people on this board and they know me. You're not that important to me, not sure how you got that opinion.

You're out of line here and I'm telling you nicely to back down. That is all.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Internal fractions don’t matter?

Unless the process has changed, Beyer figures are based on final times only. They may use projections or past races to see if a figure makes sense. Internal fractions and ground loss and other factors are used in different figure systems. Two horses in the same race can finish a nose apart and they get an identical number. They don’t say “horse a was on the lead the entire time and ran these fractions and horse b was way off the pace and ran different fractions so they get a different figure.”

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Unless the process has changed, Beyer figures are based on final times only. They may use projections or past races to see if a figure makes sense. Internal fractions and ground loss and other factors are used in different figure systems. Two horses in the same race can finish a nose apart and they get an identical number. They don’t say “horse a was on the lead the entire time and ran these fractions and horse b was way off the pace and ran different fractions so they get a different figure.”

Don’t you think they used past races here?

That reminds me of something I’ve been meaning to ask you. What is higher, Happy Saver’s debut Beyer or your annual horse racing handle?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Don’t you think they used past races here?

That reminds me of something I’ve been meaning to ask you. What is higher, Happy Saver’s debut Beyer or your annual horse racing handle?

Even if they took past races into account, that still wouldn’t change the fact that they ran the same time in the same track at the same distance yesterday. With that being the case you cannot say based on times that one was faster than the other. The only logical assumption to make is that they are saying the track changed.

Think of it another way. If one horse consistently runs 100 and another consistently runs 80 then they both run on the same day and get the same time, you are left with a couple of different choices:

A) the horse that always runs an 80 ran much faster today
B) the horse that always runs 100 ran much slower today
C) both horses ran close to their norm but the track was changed

This is pretty basic stuff that I’m hoping someone else will have the courage to tell you.

[King Glorious]

Also, if you chose to believe that I don’t wager because I don’t share it on here, that’s your right. I hope you realize though that what you believe or not doesn’t change what I actually do or don’t do and that your belief or lack thereof really ranks low on the scale of things I care about.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Also, if you chose to believe that I don’t wager because I don’t share it on here, that’s your right. I hope you realize though that what you believe or not doesn’t change what I actually do or don’t do and that your belief or lack thereof really ranks low on the scale of things I care about.

I choose to believe you don’t wager because you don’t strike me as someone who bets. Maybe I’m wrong and I could care less about you posting bets on here. Call it a gut feeling. You literally never have a pre race opinion on anything other than crap like where a horse should run. But you’re usually the first to appear post race. That’s what a gutless non bettor does.

The fact you felt the need to respond tells me that you care more than you can admit though.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I choose to believe you don’t wager because you don’t strike me as someone who bets. Maybe I’m wrong and I could care less about you posting bets on here. Call it a gut feeling. You literally never have a pre race opinion on anything other than crap like where a horse should run. But you’re usually the first to appear post race. That’s what a gutless non bettor does.

The fact you felt the need to respond tells me that you care more than you can admit though.

I don’t post pre race because I care about you. See, I know you live waiting on me to post so you can reply in a negative way and I don’t want you to be so distracted with trying to respond to me that you miss the actual races.

You’re welcome.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Even if they took past races into account, that still wouldn’t change the fact that they ran the same time in the same track at the same distance yesterday. With that being the case you cannot say based on times that one was faster than the other. The only logical assumption to make is that they are saying the track changed.

Think of it another way. If one horse consistently runs 100 and another consistently runs 80 then they both run on the same day and get the same time, you are left with a couple of different choices:

A) the horse that always runs an 80 ran much faster today
B) the horse that always runs 100 ran much slower today
C) both horses ran close to their norm but the track was changed

This is pretty basic stuff that I’m hoping someone else will have the courage to tell you.

Obviously I made a mistake. See, I can admit it. I was thinking of something else.

Doesn’t really change the fact that Happy Saver getting a 100 would mean the others also ran way faster than they had previously. I’m sure you didn’t even look at the race beforehand, but does that seem logical?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Obviously I made a mistake. See, I can admit it. I was thinking of something else.

Doesn’t really change the fact that Happy Saver getting a 100 would mean the others also ran way faster than they had previously. I’m sure you didn’t even look at the race beforehand, but does that seem logical?

It seems absolutely logical to not give him 100 also because as you said, that would indicate that the others had also run faster than they had before. That’s why it made sense to assume they had altered the track.

[Kasept]

SA Melair S: Warren's Showtime 85 (Clubhouse Ride) C. Lewis/J. Velez
SA American S (G3): Blitzkrieg 99 (War Front) D. O'Neill/V. Espinoza
SA San Juan Capistrano S (G3): Red King 92 (English Channel) P. D'Amato/U. Rispoli
SA Siren Lure S: Big Runnuer 96 (Stormy Atlantic) V. Garcia/R. Fuentes

WO Whimsical S (G3): Jean Elizabeth - (Adios Charlie) L. Rivelli/D. Moran

BEL Lady Shipman S: Bredenbury-IRE 88 (Night of Thunder-IRE) H. Motion/L. Saez

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Internal fractions don’t matter?

For BSF? No, unless I missed the memo.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by cakes44

For BSF? No, unless I missed the memo.

You might have missed a memo or two while you’ve been incorrectly talking about Kent Desormeaux rides.

If Happy Saver got a 100, that would’ve put the runner up in the lower 90’s? Does that seem right?