Mongolian Groom

[parsixfarms]

Given the backdrop against which this year's cup was going to be held, it was corporate malpractice for the Breeders Cup to keep the event at Santa Anita. Coincidence or not, a horse has now been put down (immediately or from complications from an injury suffered on Cup Day) each of the last four times that the Breeders Cup was conducted at Santa Anita: Secret Compass (2013); Vicar's in Trouble (2014); Corona Del Inca (2016); and Mongolian Groom.

[richard burch]

Well I guess I answered my own question. Sure this site hates all of us but I have no reason to doubt the statistics. Good that somebody is on top of it but pretty shocking actually. Unfortunately most bettors turn a blind eye to this kind of info. A racing form is much better for them.

At least my state looks good..

New Jersey
Monmouth Park: 3 dead racehorses
The Meadowlands
Freehold Raceway
Far Hills Steeplechase: 1 dead racehorse

One thing is clear, Harness racing is a hell of a lot safer for horse and driver. That is why they can race for 15 years.

2019 carnage.
https://horseracingwrongs.org/killed-2019/

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by richard burch

Well I guess I answered my own question. Sure this site hates all of us but I have no reason to doubt the statistics. Good that somebody is on top of it but pretty shocking actually. Unfortunately most bettors turn a blind eye to this kind of info. A racing form is much better for them.

At least my state looks good..

New Jersey
Monmouth Park: 3 dead racehorses
The Meadowlands
Freehold Raceway
Far Hills Steeplechase: 1 dead racehorse

One thing is clear, Harness racing is a hell of a lot safer for horse and driver. That is why they can race for 15 years.

2019 carnage.
https://horseracingwrongs.org/killed-2019/

The Meadowlands has its own problems: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ping/32696263/

Harness racing has its own doping issues and PETA is in their yard too. They don't care how many bodies there are. That's not even the point. It's all a manipulation. They're just looking for an angle.

Folks, I don't get why we're not giving PETA hell over their body count. I believe in the last year there were 1600+ euthanized animals by PETA. Ask Feinstein and Newsom about that. Ask what they're planning to do. Keep up the heat on that. Where's the PETA expose? Nobody wanting to go undercover to show cute animals dead because of them? Hit PETA's pocket book by decreasing enthusiasm to donate, you attack their ability to attack racing. Find out if any of the people writing hit pieces have any animal rights groups connections and insist the publications admit the ethical bias. Hold feet to fire.

[TheSpyder]

I think we've passed that opportunity. Now every news feed pops out a story when something happens. This needs some drastic changes that reassure the pubic and improve greatly the way horses are protected as much as possible from these injuries and deaths. Still going to happen, but we must start somewhere beyond what is being done

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

The Meadowlands has its own problems: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ping/32696263/

Harness racing has its own doping issues and PETA is in their yard too. They don't care how many bodies there are. That's not even the point. It's all a manipulation. They're just looking for an angle.

Folks, I don't get why we're not giving PETA hell over their body count. I believe in the last year there were 1600+ euthanized animals by PETA. Ask Feinstein and Newsom about that. Ask what they're planning to do. Keep up the heat on that. Where's the PETA expose? Nobody wanting to go undercover to show cute animals dead because of them? Hit PETA's pocket book by decreasing enthusiasm to donate, you attack their ability to attack racing. Find out if any of the people writing hit pieces have any animal rights groups connections and insist the publications admit the ethical bias. Hold feet to fire.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

I think we've passed that opportunity. Now every news feed pops out a story when something happens. This needs some drastic changes that reassure the pubic and improve greatly the way horses are protected as much as possible from these injuries and deaths. Still going to happen, but we must start somewhere beyond what is being done

Thank you.

[richard burch]

At the "highest" level of tracks in the US here are the #s... They are consistently the top offenders.


SA 2018 48 dead racehorses
SA 2019 42 dead racehorses


BEL 2018 30 dead racehorses
BEL 2019 33 dead racehorses


GULF 2018 55 dead racehorses
GULF 2019 34 dead racehorses

I would think that the more prestigious tracks would have less injuries given the owners, trainers and connections. Totally skewed the wrong way.

[NavalOrange]

Originally Posted by richard burch

At the "highest" level of tracks in the US here are the #s... They are consistently the top offenders.


SA 2018 48 dead racehorses
SA 2019 42 dead racehorses


BEL 2018 30 dead racehorses
BEL 2019 33 dead racehorses


GULF 2018 55 dead racehorses
GULF 2019 34 dead racehorses

I would think that the more prestigious tracks would have less injuries given the owners, trainers and connections. Totally skewed the wrong way.

The above numbers are meaningless without including the total number of events (training and racing) that occurred. By event I mean each time a horse stepped on the track. Also how many of the above were due to illness or natural causes.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

The Meadowlands has its own problems: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ping/32696263/

. Harness racing has its own doping issues and PETA is in their yard too. They don't care how many bodies there are. That's not even the point. It's all a manipulation. They're just looking for an angle.

Folks, I don't get why we're not giving PETA hell over their body count. I believe in the last year there were 1600+ euthanized animals by PETA. Ask Feinstein and Newsom about that. Ask what they're planning to do. Keep up the heat on that. Where's the PETA expose? Nobody wanting to go undercover to show cute animals dead because of them? Hit PETA's pocket book by decreasing enthusiasm to donate, you attack their ability to attack racing. Find out if any of the people writing hit pieces have any animal rights groups connections and insist the publications admit the ethical bias. Hold feet to fire.

I'm not naive about what happens at racetracks everywhere. Everybody cheats, I get it but NJ tracks didn't have 42 dead racehorses +/- either. I am specifically talking about breakdowns and I don't want to get off topic. I believe MG broke down due to natural causes and this wasn't a doping issue. I would guess that most breakdowns are not dope related. I'm also not concerned about PETA and I never mentioned them. That is because if you start to find ways to make racing safer the PETA and the whoever-else problem will go away on it's own. Whats also not taken into account is the health of the jockeys. I would hate to think that any trainer would put a jock on a horse that he thinks may breakdown. That is life threatening serious ****. PETA will only mention the horse so F them.

[moses]

Originally Posted by richard burch

I'm not naive about what happens at racetracks everywhere. Everybody cheats, I get it but NJ tracks didn't have 42 dead racehorses +/- either. I am specifically talking about breakdowns and I don't want to get off topic. I believe MG broke down due to natural causes and this wasn't a doping issue. I would guess that most breakdowns are not dope related. I'm also not concerned about PETA and I never mentioned them. That is because if you start to find ways to make racing safer the PETA and the whoever-else problem will go away on it's own. Whats also not taken into account is the health of the jockeys. I would hate to think that any trainer would put a jock on a horse that he thinks may breakdown. That is life threatening serious ****. PETA will only mention the horse so F them.

As far as Monmouth vs Santa Anita, I’d be interested to know the number of horses that train/run at Monmouth vs SA as well as the number of racing days and any other relevant info. I don’t think total deaths will give you the full picture.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

The Meadowlands has its own problems: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ping/32696263/

Harness racing has its own doping issues and PETA is in their yard too. They don't care how many bodies there are. That's not even the point. It's all a manipulation. They're just looking for an angle.

Folks, I don't get why we're not giving PETA hell over their body count. I believe in the last year there were 1600+ euthanized animals by PETA. Ask Feinstein and Newsom about that. Ask what they're planning to do. Keep up the heat on that. Where's the PETA expose? Nobody wanting to go undercover to show cute animals dead because of them? Hit PETA's pocket book by decreasing enthusiasm to donate, you attack their ability to attack racing. Find out if any of the people writing hit pieces have any animal rights groups connections and insist the publications admit the ethical bias. Hold feet to fire.

PETA exists to line the pockets of their executives.

[ADJMK]

Originally Posted by jms62

PETA exists to line the pockets of their executives.

No Joke.
They are everywhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ke-up-position

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by ADJMK

No Joke.
They are everywhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ke-up-position

Are you surprised? After all that is their mission statement. But i never see them at the Turtle races at the local bar.

[Konk]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Given the backdrop against which this year's cup was going to be held, it was corporate malpractice for the Breeders Cup to keep the event at Santa Anita. Coincidence or not, a horse has now been put down (immediately or from complications from an injury suffered on Cup Day) each of the last four times that the Breeders Cup was conducted at Santa Anita: Secret Compass (2013); Vicar's in Trouble (2014); Corona Del Inca (2016); and Mongolian Groom.

And which race track do think could have given a 100% guarantee that there would be no breakdowns on either day?

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Konk

And which race track do think could have given a 100% guarantee that there would be no breakdowns on either day?

While that is a goal to shoot for, obviously none. You wouldn't be able to have any guarantees with most kinds of racing, animal or human.