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Old 06-09-2019, 05:28 PM
freddymo freddymo is offline
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I don't think he wants there to be a speed bias. I think he was told to make the track really fast. On these really big days, for whatever reason, they like the track to be really fast. The result is usually a speed bias.
Safe surface priority one

Working with horseman to find a surface a majority want priority two

Taking a call from "they" to speed the track up is a fantasy ESPECIALLY this day and age of hypersensitivity to track conditions and horse fatalities.

BTW who do you think made the call Yo Glenn scrape the surface we want fast times for TV?
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:15 PM
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Safe surface priority one

Working with horseman to find a surface a majority want priority two

Taking a call from "they" to speed the track up is a fantasy ESPECIALLY this day and age of hypersensitivity to track conditions and horse fatalities.

BTW who do you think made the call Yo Glenn scrape the surface we want fast times for TV?
Somebody obviously made the call. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the track is lightening fast on days like this? I highly doubt the trackman just decides to take it upon himself to speed up the track on these big days.
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Old 06-09-2019, 07:17 PM
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Somebody obviously made the call. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the track is lightening fast on days like this? I highly doubt the trackman just decides to take it upon himself to speed up the track on these big days.
Somebody made the call? Did KYRIM steal your login? Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't even know the difference between a rail bias and a speed bias.
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Old 06-09-2019, 07:53 PM
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Somebody made the call? Did KYRIM steal your login? Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't even know the difference between a rail bias and a speed bias.
Yeah, you are right. It's just a coincidence that the track always seems to be lightening fast on these big days. I guess it just gets that way on its own.

I think there was totally a speed bias both Friday and Saturday. There may have been a rail bias too. I don't focus on rail biases or outside biases because they are too hard to determine conclusively. It's not too hard to figure out if there's a speed bias. Rail biases are harder to determine conclusively, at least for me.

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Old 06-09-2019, 07:56 PM
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The King of Comedy is such a good movie. It really does not deserve this.
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Old 06-09-2019, 08:10 PM
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The King of Comedy is such a good movie. It really does not deserve this.
Watchmaker thought there was a speed bias too. You better give him a call and tell him that he doesn't know what he's talking about. You still didn't explain how the track magically gets so lightening fast on big days. I've got to hear this.

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/48281-in...t-s-main-track
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Old 06-10-2019, 12:17 AM
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Watchmaker thought there was a speed bias too. You better give him a call and tell him that he doesn't know what he's talking about. You still didn't explain how the track magically gets so lightening fast on big days. I've got to hear this.

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/48281-in...t-s-main-track
Using Watchmaker to bolster your side of the argument, or any argument, does not strengthen your case. It's kind of like opening the door when someone knocks and says "landshark."
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Old 06-10-2019, 12:30 AM
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You still didn't explain how the track magically gets so lightening fast on big days. I've got to hear this.

I imagine there are a number of ways tracks get faster, or slower, and while I ( unlike you, who thinks you are ) am not a track super, I would guess moisture content plays a relatively significant role. If you actually followed Belmont racing closely ( please don't even pretend you do ), you would know there have been plenty of days where the final times on the dirt were quick. However, the fact that you insinuated in this thread that this was some sort of management decision is ludicrous, and given my relationship to track management ( as opposed to yours ) it's understandable, I guess, that you can't even begin to imagine how far from the truth this is. There is one constant, and one only, and that's to keep our racing surfaces as safe as possible. Given the numbers, this is working, and this is very much due to the incredible job Glen Kozak does on not just a day by day basis, but a virtual minute by minute basis.

I hope this helps.
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