Pegasus '18 ~ Gun Runner (4-5) from 10 hole

Kasept · #1 10-01-2017, 08:14 AM

Quite an interesting piece from Bob Ehalt casting doubt on Pegasus for '18.

https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/a...plans-pegasus/

Why there’s uncertainty in the air over plans for the Pegasus
Bob Ehalt

Apparently even the world’s richest horse race is not immune from a ‘sophomore slump’.

With the second edition of the now $16 million Pegasus World Cup about four months away, the Stronach Group’s ground-breaking race is currently facing a bout of growing pains. Several original stakeholders have pulled out – with one of them likening the experience to a ‘used-car sales job’ – and even its most fervent backers are uncertain of what to expect on Jan. 27, when the race is contested at Gulfstream Park.

“As far as I know, and it has been a bit quiet, the race is still on,” said Dean Reeves, an original stakeholder who anted up a $200,000 down payment for a spot in the 2018 race by the Sept. 1 deadline. “I haven’t asked how many people are in and I don’t know where everything stands. But, from my past conversations with [Stronach Chief Operating Officer] Tim Ritvo, they will have 12 horses and it’s going forward. I think they have a lot of irons in the fire and need time to sort everything out, but that’s just conjecture on my part.

OTM Al · #2 10-09-2017, 11:33 AM

Looking forward to the Donn Handicap in 2019. May even go to see it.....

freddymo · #3 10-09-2017, 11:55 AM

It was an interesting concept. I give them credit for trying something completely out of the box.

jnunan4759 · #4 10-13-2017, 05:05 PM

I agree with Freddymo. I admire people who try things. The Breeder's Cup is an example. Some fail, but a try always helps. Effort and trials have produced what we have now. Look at "Win and your In". Timing of races, big days. It's a constant evolution, which is good.

I'm OK with all of it. It was a big event. If it's not sustainable, than it can go back to the Donn and be a GR1 and nice event and day. Worth a try.

Interested in OZ tonight doing their own concept of this. See how that goes. Not sure the concept is bad at all, maybe at a lesser amount.

freddymo · #5 10-13-2017, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jnunan4759

I agree with Freddymo. I admire people who try things. The Breeder's Cup is an example. Some fail, but a try always helps. Effort and trials have produced what we have now. Look at "Win and your In". Timing of races, big days. It's a constant evolution, which is good.

I'm OK with all of it. It was a big event. If it's not sustainable, than it can go back to the Donn and be a GR1 and nice event and day. Worth a try.

Interested in OZ tonight doing their own concept of this. See how that goes. Not sure the concept is bad at all, maybe at a lesser amount.

Hey that put seats on sale today for Peg '18 who knows maybe its a go?

#6 10-14-2017, 03:37 PM

It was a 100 dollar admission just to get in??
Yup, that will work...

Kasept · #7 12-16-2017, 05:57 AM

Nine slots sold for Pegasus World Cup
By Matt Hegarty

Gun Runner (Winchell/Three Chimneys)
Collected (Speedway)
West Coast (West)
Gunnevera (Peacock Racing)
Seeking the Soul (Fipke)
Toast of New York (Al Shaqab/Reeves)
War Story (Loooch)
Stellar Wind (Coolmore)
TBD (Stronach)

Expected..
Sharp Azteca (New owner pending)

Horsemen play ‘Let's Make a Deal' before Pegasus deadline
By Matt Hegarty

blackthroatedwind · #8 12-16-2017, 07:57 PM

I find it amazing that basically nobody is discussing this race honestly. It is NOT a $16 million race. It does NOT cost $1 million for a spot. It cost $350K for a spot. As of now, eight spots have been sold for $350K, or a total of $2.8 million. Add that to the $4 million of added money, and you have a $6.8 million race. Stronach Group claiming they are buying the other four spots makes no sense. I thought the deadline for buying a spot was this past week. I guess if Stronach wants to put up another $1.4 million and give out four more spots, it's their prerogative, and that money can be added to the pool, making it an $8.2 million race. That is the maximum it's worth. This "everyone gets at least $650K back" should not be recognized as part of the purse.

Stronach Group is putting up a ton of money for this race and they should be applauded for that. However, that doesn't buy them the right to create a fraudulent purse. The Jockey Club cannot recognize the $650K "earned" by the also rans. What's next, the KY Derby advertised as a $500 million race, with each entrant supposedly anteing up $25 million to run, with all starters guaranteed $24.9 million in earnings? Will the Jockey Club then have 20 horses that annually earn in excess of $25 million? How is this different?

Let's celebrate the race as a generous outlay by the Stronach Group that is a present to racing fans. But, let's not call it something it's not.

jms62 · #9 12-17-2017, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I find it amazing that basically nobody is discussing this race honestly. It is NOT a $16 million race. It does NOT cost $1 million for a spot. It cost $350K for a spot. As of now, eight spots have been sold for $350K, or a total of $2.8 million. Add that to the $4 million of added money, and you have a $6.8 million race. Stronach Group claiming they are buying the other four spots makes no sense. I thought the deadline for buying a spot was this past week. I guess if Stronach wants to put up another $1.4 million and give out four more spots, it's their prerogative, and that money can be added to the pool, making it an $8.2 million race. That is the maximum it's worth. This "everyone gets at least $650K back" should not be recognized as part of the purse.

Stronach Group is putting up a ton of money for this race and they should be applauded for that. However, that doesn't buy them the right to create a fraudulent purse. The Jockey Club cannot recognize the $650K "earned" by the also rans. What's next, the KY Derby advertised as a $500 million race, with each entrant supposedly anteing up $25 million to run, with all starters guaranteed $24.9 million in earnings? Will the Jockey Club then have 20 horses that annually earn in excess of $25 million? How is this different?

Let's celebrate the race as a generous outlay by the Stronach Group that is a present to racing fans. But, let's not call it something it's not.

Probably a lot of people agree with you and the lack of discussion is complete apathy towards the race. I’m sure the trolls would be out in force on Twitter if there was general disagreement to what you are saying.

Konk · #10 12-17-2017, 07:54 AM

Franky should spent some of that money to buy a decent timer for GP - which has been an embarrassment to racing for many years now.

To me, it is a 2-bit race.

Dunbar · #11 12-17-2017, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I find it amazing that basically nobody is discussing this race honestly. It is NOT a $16 million race. It does NOT cost $1 million for a spot. It cost $350K for a spot. As of now, eight spots have been sold for $350K, or a total of $2.8 million. Add that to the $4 million of added money, and you have a $6.8 million race. Stronach Group claiming they are buying the other four spots makes no sense. I thought the deadline for buying a spot was this past week. I guess if Stronach wants to put up another $1.4 million and give out four more spots, it's their prerogative, and that money can be added to the pool, making it an $8.2 million race. That is the maximum it's worth. This "everyone gets at least $650K back" should not be recognized as part of the purse.

Stronach Group is putting up a ton of money for this race and they should be applauded for that. However, that doesn't buy them the right to create a fraudulent purse. The Jockey Club cannot recognize the $650K "earned" by the also rans. What's next, the KY Derby advertised as a $500 million race, with each entrant supposedly anteing up $25 million to run, with all starters guaranteed $24.9 million in earnings? Will the Jockey Club then have 20 horses that annually earn in excess of $25 million? How is this different?

Let's celebrate the race as a generous outlay by the Stronach Group that is a present to racing fans. But, let's not call it something it's not.

!

Kasept · #12 12-31-2017, 07:07 PM

Giant Expectations added to the field..

1. Gun Runner (Winchell/Three Chimneys) Asmussen/Geroux
2. Collected (Speedway) Baffert/Smith
3. West Coast (West) Baffert/Castellano
4. Gunnevera (Peacock Racing) Sano/Saez
5. Seeking the Soul (Fipke) Stewart/J. Velazquez
6. Toast of New York (Al Shaqab/Reeves) Osbourne/Dettori
7. War Story (Loooch) Navarro/J. Ortiz
8. Stellar Wind (Coolmore) C. Brown/Rosario
9. Fear the Cowboy (Stronach, Frankel & Frankel, Amayo & Centofanti) Loza/Gaffalione
10. Giant Expectations (Exline-Border, Gatto & Zubok) Eurton/Stevens
11. Sharp Azteca (Loooch) Navarro/I. Ortiz Jr.
12. Open ~ Singing Bullet/Giuseppe the Great/J Boys Echo

blackthroatedwind · #13 12-31-2017, 08:30 PM

TBD should be a real doozy.

pweizer · #14 12-31-2017, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

TBD should be a real doozy.

At least TBD will end up among the leading money earners in 2018 following his last place finish.

Paul

Indian Charlie · #15 12-31-2017, 09:05 PM

What if TBD turns out to be Winx?

MinnSkinny · #16 01-02-2018, 05:30 AM

Running Winx in this race would be incredible.

freddymo · #17 01-02-2018, 06:30 AM

Giant Expectation will be heading to the Donnroids..Really liked him in the Haynesfield.

Seattleallstar · #18 01-02-2018, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MinnSkinny

Running Winx in this race would be incredible.

they tried last year, but get her into the race this will turn out to be a real spectacle worldwide, surprised Godolphin hasn't had a runner or pointed anyone for the race.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/superra...428d047ed75fa4

blackthroatedwind · #19 01-02-2018, 02:32 PM

Yeah, it's shocking that Godolphin isn't supporting a race that pretends to be worth more than the Dubai World Cup.

taxicab · #20 01-03-2018, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Giant Expectations added to the field..

1. Gun Runner (Winchell/Three Chimneys)
2. Collected (Speedway)
3. West Coast (West)
4. Gunnevera (Peacock Racing)
5. Seeking the Soul (Fipke)
6. Toast of New York (Al Shaqab/Reeves)
7. War Story (Loooch)
8. Stellar Wind (Coolmore) ~ Anticipated
9. TBD (Stronach)
10. Giant Expectations (Exline-Border, Gatto & Zubok
11. Sharp Azteca (New owner pending) ~ Expected
12. Open

This is actually looking like an OK betting race.
If Sharp Azteca goes that would be a big plus.
In terms of the Stronach entry,if he sticks to his Adena runners it almost has to be Ice Festival.........off price probably around 75-1 with this bunch.