Collusion at the BCBC?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by fantini33

I understand that he doesn't win his bet 83% of the time. His gambit of finding a race that is wide open, playing 4 different horses, if he is manipulating 4 entries say, means he plays 7500 per, all in an effort to get 30000 on to one ticket, not 7500x4. Or even 8 horses at 3750, or some variant depending on the odds more likely.

One entry with 30000 on it is more powerful than 4 with 7500 each. His gambit of consolidating works at a high percentage. He needn't be very clever...I mean a 3-1 would get it consolidated.

If there are several guys or groups employing this tactic, say 10...even if they fail at a 50% clip, its still stands to reason that half will be successful in the consolidation process. Making those entries tough to beat.

Yes, some will zero out to our benefit. I still believe that it is easier to beat 4 entries that have 7500 than one that has 30000. The consolidating is a great strategy. Just not when you are employing tickets NOT yours to get this accomplished. That's what makes it awful.

Sorry Bud... There will be many people not happy with this outcome.

http://www.drf.com/news/two-players-...collusion-bcbc

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by jms62

Sorry Bud... There will be many people not happy with this outcome.

http://www.drf.com/news/two-players-...collusion-bcbc

I work with a guy whose is good friends with Moomey, one of the few local people I know that I can have a interactive conversation about racing.
The guy on the bubble is probably one of the happy ones, Jim....

[jms62]

Originally Posted by casp0555

I work with a guy whose is good friends with Moomey, one of the few local people I know that I can have a interactive conversation about racing.
The guy on the bubble is probably one of the happy ones, Jim....

I am team Ed Peters here. Offer stands if you are in Vegas either for last chance or NHC I got you covered for Pappy Van Winkle flght at Arias. I plan on working remotely from Vegas during the week.

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am team Ed Peters here. Offer stands if you are in Vegas either for last chance or NHC I got you covered for Pappy Van Winkle flght at Arias. I plan on working remotely from Vegas during the week.

you are awesome Jim...I am still working on the house post Harvey....would love to be there and share a whiskey or three with you....maybe next year my friend

[fantini33]

Originally Posted by jms62

Sorry Bud... There will be many people not happy with this outcome.

http://www.drf.com/news/two-players-...collusion-bcbc

Their conclusion that because they EACH only had 1 entry, and therefore it was the same as one person having 2 is kind of bogus. The difference is obvious....they are 2 people, NOT 1. Collusion, by legal definition, cannot be done by one person, only 2 or more. You cannot collude with yourself. They for sure got away with a rules violation here. No doubt.

So if Moomey and Ball each had 1 entry and employed their same tactics that it would have been fine? Because it seems that is what they are implying.

At least this should eliminate the majority of the group play and start to level the playing field off a bit.

I don't know....on to the next one I guess.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by fantini33

Their conclusion that because they EACH only had 1 entry, and therefore it was the same as one person having 2 is kind of bogus. The difference is obvious....they are 2 people, NOT 1. Collusion, by legal definition, cannot be done by one person, only 2 or more. You cannot collude with yourself. They for sure got away with a rules violation here. No doubt.

So if Moomey and Ball each had 1 entry and employed their same tactics that it would have been fine? Because it seems that is what they are implying.

At least this should eliminate the majority of the group play and start to level the playing field off a bit.

I don't know....on to the next one I guess.

This explanation is an ill-conceived legal argument add in they have played under an LLC for the propose of competing jointly and you have further hurdles to overcome. Let's get on with it give them their bounty and make some more cogent rules that aren't contradictory.

[jms62]

And publish the details so we can see if others involved. Are players competing against a “Relay team” in these big money events? Sure seems like you see some well know players often bust out really early. Why would that be? It is all a game of math. If I hit a certain bet 10% of the time and have 2 entries and recruit 4 friends who also hit at that clip and they have 2 entries each and we each go ALL IN on that bet. How often does our team put themselves in position for a major score? All the more profitable if you are able to get some entries on the cheap via qualifiers or are backed by investors. Do I know this is happening NO but I would be the least suprised person in the room if it comes to light that it is. I didn't spend a dime this year trying to qualify for other reasons and looks like I was lucky I didnt.

[freddymo]

Wondering who will be paying for the pending legal battle? Lawyers don't work for free.