Weekend Stakes Beyers

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have no faith in Paradise Woods she is a complete fraud, until I see her race well with a small stick in her path I will pass not even remotely considering her as anything but a takeout cure. Elate beat bums, relatively speaking, I learned she is in form, I dont worry about her trainer keeping her very good yet is she really that fast? I dont know will see, she certainly is a contender.

The colt ran a 106+k beating him

yea, Elate may have a case of the slows. I have little faith in many of these older fillies and I can see something crazy happening.

Is there any other pace in that race but Paradise Woods? I dont think she is that good but maybe loose on the lead she may surprise.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yea, Elate may have a case of the slows. I have little faith in many of these older fillies and I can see something crazy happening.

Is there any other pace in that race but Paradise Woods? I dont think she is that good but maybe loose on the lead she may surprise.

Songbird was loose at Toga and FU ran her down. I see no reasson she wont run past Woods. Elate is the wild card that can beat her.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Songbird was loose at Toga and FU ran her down. I see no reasson she wont run past Woods. Elate is the wild card that can beat her.

I wouldnt count on winning with that scenario against horses who were not running with the form Songbird was in that race.

[RHT2004]

Paradise Woods has 2 good races where she beat no one with soft trips. The 2 times things didnt go perfectly for her she folded up badly. Would you really have any confidence in her vs FU, Elate and others?

[RHT2004]

Plus isnt Vale Dori running?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Plus isnt Vale Dori running?

I think she is pointing to the F&M Sprint.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think she is pointing to the F&M Sprint.

Huge shot turning back.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Plus isnt Vale Dori running?

Been working sparingly to say the least since her last start. After a couple of quick turnaround breezes after the Clement Hirsch, she's had 3 weeks then 2 weeks and now another 2 weeks between breezes with nothing since 09/20.

Plus despite what he's doing with his other BC contenders, it seemed odd that Baffert would skip easy pickings in the Zenyatta with her.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Paradise Woods has 2 good races where she beat no one with soft trips. The 2 times things didnt go perfectly for her she folded up badly. Would you really have any confidence in her vs FU, Elate and others?

I am just saying there are worse plays than her if she is lone speed.

I dont like her for the reasons you stated, but I am always nervous about talented lone speed horses.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I am just saying there are worse plays than her if she is lone speed.

I dont like her for the reasons you stated, but I am always nervous about talented lone speed horses.

She seems like shes always overbet. Off her 106 and loan speed what price are you thinking? I can see her lower then Elate.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

She seems like shes always overbet. Off her 106 and loan speed what price are you thinking? I can see her lower then Elate.

well, there is the rub.

She should be in the 15/1 range based on form and her running lines

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

She seems like shes always overbet. Off her 106 and loan speed what price are you thinking? I can see her lower then Elate.

That fig is worthless for handicapping purposes. that doesnt mean the fig is wrong it just means who cares. Not all 106's are created equally and this particular one is at the very very bottom of the 106 scale