8/19 (DMR): Pacific Classic, DMR Oaks (G1's), DMR Handicap (G2)

[RHT2004]

I think its official and safe to say he does not like Del Mar.

[pointman]

For a trainer who just won the Pacific Classic, Baffert doesn't look too excited

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by pointman

For a trainer who just won the Pacific Classic, Baffert doesn't look too excited

He knows who the better horse is. It has to be frustrating.

[RHT2004]

I think he has to come to Belmont for the JCGC. He obviously dislikes this track.

[cakes44]

Curlin as a 4-year-old.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Curlin as a 4-year-old.

Did he run 1 teen beyers? Because im pretty sure Arrogate just ran in the 110-115 range.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Did he run 1 teen beyers? Because im pretty sure Arrogate just ran in the 110-115 range.

110, 112, and 111 post Dubai before the BCC for Curlin.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I think he has to come to Belmont for the JCGC. He obviously dislikes this track.

I'm not totally convinced that it is the track, particularly considering both Baffert and Smith's reaction.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by pointman

I'm not totally convinced that it is the track, particularly considering both Baffert and Smith's reaction.

It's not the track. The horse ran a few great races buts that's it. He got a pass for last race not being ready but he was beat fair and square today by a horse that is getting better each race. He is very over rated based on four races. I'd be surprised if he runs again.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

It's not the track. The horse ran a few great races buts that's it. He got a pass for last race not being ready but he was beat fair and square today by a horse that is getting better each race. He is very over rated based on four races. I'd be surprised if he runs again.

Is 4 a few? And what was today if you're Collected is so good?
Calling him overrated shows a lack of understanding from you. I thought you were sharper, but as time goes on Im not so sure.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

It's not the track. The horse ran a few great races buts that's it. He got a pass for last race not being ready but he was beat fair and square today by a horse that is getting better each race. He is very over rated based on four races. I'd be surprised if he runs again.

Smith said he was having trouble getting ahold of it. He can't push off as well. He did better this time so it's possible to work on it vs concede he's doomed. Baffert seemed to believe he could get him ready off a layoff. He's basically got til November to teach Arrogate to learn to tolerate Del Mar. I get the feeling if he spends enough time working over it, he'll get to a place of making peace with the track. He'll never love it, but he might be able to do well enough that he can still win.

I think Baffert was loathe to just go 'ugh the track, he hates it' in part because the minute you say that, there's a point where you just don't get to go to the Breeders Cup. Because why would you if he's gonna tank it due to the track? If he doesn't want to bypass the Classic, he has to find a way to deal with it, and I think we saw enough that he can justify pressing on and making whatever adjustments he can. Arrogate did better when he was hussled. Clearly that's part of what's required.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

It's not the track. The horse ran a few great races buts that's it. He got a pass for last race not being ready but he was beat fair and square today by a horse that is getting better each race. He is very over rated based on four races. I'd be surprised if he runs again.

This is insane. He ran a 114 Beyer and lost by a diminishing half-length while covering 51 more feet than the winner. The idea that that's some huge disappointment should tell you that he is the opposite of "very overrated."

[knickslions2]

Collected is a good horse

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Collected is a good horse

yea, and the time was very quick and its going to get a big figure, but lets be honest, thats Arrogates C race.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yea, and the time was very quick and its going to get a big figure, but lets be honest, thats Arrogates C race.

Exactly.