8/19 (DMR): Pacific Classic, DMR Oaks (G1's), DMR Handicap (G2)

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Normally, when a horse of anywhere near Arrogates ability runs such an inexplicable race this close to the end of its career, it's just retired. Baffert didn't seem surprised or concerned even with the race. Instead of the usual talk about going over him with every diagnostic test available, he spoke like he had confidence that Arrogate would run back to form in a few weeks.

It was pretty odd.

I have pointed that out in other places, his comments before the race and after the race were at complete odds with other...nervous before, almost making excuses...to we will be fine in a few weeks.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I have pointed that out in other places, his comments before the race and after the race were at complete odds with other...nervous before, almost making excuses...to we will be fine in a few weeks.

It is pretty odd!

[RHT2004]

I think he is a mortal lock. Why not retire him? He's running because he is ready.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I think he is a moral lock. Why not retire him? He's running because he is ready.

I dont buy that, no matter how he runs his value is cemented based on when he was right not when he was wrong. I think its a great unknown to everyone but there is actually very little to lose.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I think he is a moral lock. Why not retire him? He's running because he is ready.

Yeah, he's a mortal lock too, though his morals are impeccable. In all seriousness, he should destroy that field.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, he's a mortal lock too, though his morals are impeccable. In all seriousness, he should destroy that field.

Mortal. He crushes them.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, he's a mortal lock too, though his morals are impeccable. In all seriousness, he should destroy that field.

I would point out Collected has never lost on a fast track i believe...and his TF figure is only a few points below Arrogate, he easily could be a very very good horse.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I would point out Collected has never lost on a fast track i believe...and his TF figure is only a few points below Arrogate, he easily could be a very very good horse.

I dont think he wants 10f. Would have bet him going 9f at Saratoga.
Thats the only thing i think is a bit strange..... Collected has gotten very good, so his presence alone vs Arrogate makes me wonder.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I would point out Collected has never lost on a fast track i believe...and his TF figure is only a few points below Arrogate, he easily could be a very very good horse.

I'm in no way denigrating Collected. Arrogate is simply in another level.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Arrogate scratched. Enter him to scare away horses from your stablemate. Racing is really crappy sometimes. You could see this for miles when collected was also entered.

Its a fake report. (I fell for it too )

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I think he is a mortal lock. Why not retire him? He's running because he is ready.

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-bt-

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by -BT-

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-bt-

Yeah the horse ran a 115 beyer chasing wide. Every expert around says he's not the same, and he missed by a half. But you come out to post this. LOL

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Yeah the horse ran a 115 beyer chasing wide. Every expert around says he's not the same, and he missed by a half. But you come out to post this. LOL

You said he was a "mortal lock"
- he lost on the square, don't care if he ran a 180 beyer

You said he's running because "he is ready"
- he wasn't

So which is it? He's not the same but you're touting his 115 beyer ... it's the same in the selections thread, when you win you plug all those " $$ winning" results. When you lose, it's a bad beat or someone else's fault, when you can't finish out the sequence "one time for the kid".

I sincerely wish I lived in your world, where the word accountability only applies when you're right. Eat your crow and move on, or keep touting "mortal locks" and get taken to task when they don't pan out, your choice.

-bt-