PA Racing

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

I think the pressure has to come from the owners if we want any change. Right now it is an arms race. You get caught your assistant takes over. What I think has some teeth is you get caught ALL horses under your care are not allowed to run (hopefully anywhere) if tracks get together even if transferred to another barn. Just my opinion, coming at it from a different angle which I think will work.

First of all there is due process after you get "caught", that can take months, so during that time your horses aren't going anywhere nor should they be right?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

First of all there is due process after you get "caught", that can take months, so during that time your horses aren't going anywhere nor should they be right?

Of course not Freddie I understand due process. Once you are convicted all horses under your care at the time of the violation even if transferred. The object here is to have those paying the bills put the pressure on the trainers to play by the rules. Hopefully if you summarily discard my idea you will counter with one of your own cause the status quo isn't where we should be.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

Of course not Freddie I understand due process. Once you are convicted all horses under your care at the time of the violation even if transferred. The object here is to have those paying the bills put the pressure on the trainers to play by the rules. Hopefully if you summarily discard my idea you will counter with one of your own cause the status quo isn't where we should be.

What makes you think owners arent the people putting the pressure on the trainers to cheat?
Shock waving a horse can be therapeutic, although I would assume time in mant situations, would serve just as well, but time is expensive. People are funny they hear some nickel rag claimer is shock waved to run better etc. and they are outraged, Nyquist not so much, he had to make it back faster to run in important stakes and that seems OK with many. I dont distinguish the two but thats just me

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

What makes you think owners arent the people putting the pressure on the trainers to cheat?
Shock waving a horse can be therapeutic, although I would assume time in mant situations, would serve just as well, but time is expensive. People are funny they hear some nickel rag claimer is shock waved to run better etc. and they are outraged, Nyquist not so much, he had to make it back faster to run in important stakes and that seems OK with many. I dont distinguish the two but thats just me

Never said they were putting pressure on them to cheat but we can both agree they certainly are not putting pressure on them NOT TO. I am saying there are owners using trainers we all know are suspect and they are in lifetime don't ask don't tell mode. They control the purse strings and that is the only pressure I believe that has the power to change. Of course this is my opinion..

[jnunan4759]

One thing that sticks out is that this is a Federal case. No state charges were filed, that I know of. The state regulates and controls racing and wagering in the state. Do they just ignore all this ?

Once they started simulcasting over state lines, they opened the door to Federal laws, including the RICO statutes. These things are not done by one person.

All the witnesses have plead out and flipped in this case.

[freddymo]

Some people cheat and get busted but it probably only happens at Penn Nat :
PA source: Jury finds Penn National trainer Murray Rojas guilty on 14 of 21 counts in federal case alleging fraud, conspiracy & misbranding

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Some people cheat and get busted but it probably only happens at Penn Nat :
PA source: Jury finds Penn National trainer Murray Rojas guilty on 14 of 21 counts in federal case alleging fraud, conspiracy & misbranding

Gosh Fred.. If only you were an attorney or journalist, you might be able to accurately reflect the outcome..