Weekend Stakes Beyers: Gun Runner 110

[Indian Charlie]

Again, I realize numbers are impossible to be accurate for every circumstance, and this was a 5f race on synthetic, but her performance was better than a 57 indicates.

Not that I'm calling the figure maker stupid, but to me, that was unrealistic, even knowing that figures dont account for things like how easily a horse wins.

If the par for that type of race is really two points higher than what the winner scored, well, I have trouble accepting that performance was below average. That is absurd.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Again, I realize numbers are impossible to be accurate for every circumstance, and this was a 5f race on synthetic, but her performance was better than a 57 indicates.

Not that I'm calling the figure maker stupid, but to me, that was unrealistic, even knowing that figures dont account for things like how easily a horse wins.

If the par for that type of race is really two points higher than what the winner scored, well, I have trouble accepting that performance was below average. That is absurd.

You clearly have no idea how speed figures are made. By the way, I make the Golden Gate Beyers.

There is no visual element to a final time speed figure. Not one iota. IN fact, in situations where horses are "geared down" late the figures often suffer. That created a big problem in a race like last year's Awesome Again, where California Chrome was clearly slowed to a point where the final time was affected.

Synthetics are very tricky for figure making. While the speed of the surface is very consistent, they are highly dependent on pace. Could I have treated Kimberlea K's race different because it had a fast pace for the level? Sure, there's an argument to be made, but at 5fs, you are sure to get into trouble projecting speed figures based on 1/4 mile times.

The good thing about it is that she is a 2YO filly who was debuting, so there are ample opportunities for her to run and prove me wrong.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You clearly have no idea how speed figures are made. By the way, I make the Golden Gate Beyers.

There is no visual element to a final time speed figure. Not one iota. IN fact, in situations where horses are "geared down" late the figures often suffer. That created a big problem in a race like last year's Awesome Again, where California Chrome was clearly slowed to a point where the final time was affected.

Synthetics are very tricky for figure making. While the speed of the surface is very consistent, they are highly dependent on pace. Could I have treated Kimberlea K's race different because it had a fast pace for the level? Sure, there's an argument to be made, but at 5fs, you are sure to get into trouble projecting speed figures based on 1/4 mile times.

The good thing about it is that she is a 2YO filly who was debuting, so there are ample opportunities for her to run and prove me wrong.

I figured it was you based on your first response to me. And in the rest of my post I was agreeing with there being difficulties in making a figure for that type of race. I don't have an adequate answer for you regarding how I would have scored it, but that race was not below average.

I wasnt trying to insult you or anything like that but I really did expect a significantly higher number and was surprised by the number you came up with.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I figured it was you based on your first response to me. And in the rest of my post I was agreeing with there being difficulties in making a figure for that type of race. I don't have an adequate answer for you regarding how I would have scored it, but that race was not below average.

I wasnt trying to insult you or anything like that but I really did expect a significantly higher number and was surprised by the number you came up with.

The good news is because the fig was SO ordinary you will get a great price on her when she steps up in the Sorrento or maybe Dorf just bypasses that with this monster and goes straight Debutante?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The good news is because the fig was SO ordinary you will get a great price on her when she steps up in the Sorrento or maybe Dorf just bypasses that with this monster and goes straight Debutante?

Your attempt at sarcasm is lame, sorry.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Your attempt at sarcasm is lame, sorry.

In all candor wouldnt she have been beaten a poll by the good 2 yr olds that have started too date?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by freddymo

In all candor wouldnt she have been beaten a poll by the good 2 yr olds that have started too date?

I could tell very little by watching that race, actually. I couldn't form an opinion one way or the other, but I did expect a better rating.