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jms62 · #1 06-08-2017, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

A case could be made that he had trip issues in both the Bluegrass and the KD (and considering the horrific trip in the KD, he finished better than most in the field). If he runs his race and gets a decent trip he is definitely a win candidate.

Alternatively, he could easily find trouble, spit the bit, then finish the race beating only Epicharis home.

What Odds do you give of Epicharis finishing Dead Last?

Rudeboyelvis · #2 06-08-2017, 08:22 AM

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What Odds do you give of Epicharis finishing Dead Last?

I was being facetious, I honestly didn't think anyone would take that literally. He is a massive play against, but he's probably not the worst horse in the race.

What chances do you give Epicharis of going to the gate at 4-1?

knickslions2 · #3 06-08-2017, 08:27 AM

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What Odds do you give of Epicharis finishing Dead Last?

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I was being facetious, I honestly didn't think anyone would take that literally. He is a massive play against, but he's probably not the worst horse in the race.

What chances do you give Epicharis of going to the gate at 4-1?

I think he is 2-1 that hes not even in the gate Saturday. Being treated for lameness two days before a mile and a half race. I agree with you Dan he is a big play against here. I don't know what to do with this race but feel if Irish war Cry can run his race he will win this easy but that's a big if.

Rudeboyelvis · #4 06-08-2017, 08:34 AM

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I think he is 2-1 that hes not even in the gate Saturday. Being treated for lameness two days before a mile and a half race. I agree with you Dan he is a big play against here. I don't know what to do with this race but feel if Irish war Cry can run his race he will win this easy but that's a big if.

Thanks Tom, I hadn't seen that yet. Missed training this morning. There is no way he goes.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ness-treatment

jms62 · #5 06-08-2017, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I was being facetious, I honestly didn't think anyone would take that literally. He is a massive play against, but he's probably not the worst horse in the race.

What chances do you give Epicharis of going to the gate at 4-1?

I was trying to see if you'd throw something out there maybe 3-1 ish and I'd offer to book it for you. Kitan seems to like him and I think he is pretty sharp with these Foreign horses. I think he floats up. I think there may be some that will dismiss out of hand and incorrectly based upon Thunder Snow's Derby

Rudeboyelvis · #6 06-08-2017, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

I was trying to see if you'd throw something out there maybe 3-1 ish and I'd offer to book it for you. Kitan seems to like him and I think he is pretty sharp with these Foreign horses. I think he floats up. I think there may be some that will dismiss out of hand and incorrectly based upon Thunder Snow's Derby

Thunder Snow's derby had zero impact on my assessment. As bad as the US 3yo crop is, the horses Epicharis has faced internationally are even more dreadful.

Kitan · #7 06-08-2017, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

I was trying to see if you'd throw something out there maybe 3-1 ish and I'd offer to book it for you. Kitan seems to like him and I think he is pretty sharp with these Foreign horses. I think he floats up. I think there may be some that will dismiss out of hand and incorrectly based upon Thunder Snow's Derby

I'm a little biased with this one because I saw him run live at Tokyo and 1) I haven't seen the other contenders up close and 2) it would be cool to say I saw the Japanese Belmont winner run! Besides that, he is much, much better (and less of a maniac) than Lani who I liked to an extent and wasn't disgraced at all in any TC race last year, particularly the Belmont which has a similar type of lack of strength this year. Will be very hard to bet Epicharis now even if he takes his place in the race, especially if he's a low price. The word I got from Japan was that it's a hoof injury that's gradually getting better after the medication, but participation is undecided.

jms62 · #8 06-08-2017, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitan

I'm a little biased with this one because I saw him run live at Tokyo and 1) I haven't seen the other contenders up close and 2) it would be cool to say I saw the Japanese Belmont winner run! Besides that, he is much, much better (and less of a maniac) than Lani who I liked to an extent and wasn't disgraced at all in any TC race last year, particularly the Belmont which has a similar type of lack of strength this year. Will be very hard to bet Epicharis now even if he takes his place in the race, especially if he's a low price. The word I got from Japan was that it's a hoof injury that's gradually getting better after the medication, but participation is undecided.

Absolute bet against with this new Info..