Derby prep final quarter time

[Secretriat34]

Does anyone know of a web site or publication that would have
the "last quarter" times of the prep races.

There seems to be a lot of pace early in the race 5-6,
Therefore, I think the final quarter times might be of significance.

Chef-de-race used to have this data, but that site is gone

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

Does anyone know of a web site or publication that would have
the "last quarter" times of the prep races.

There seems to be a lot of pace early in the race 5-6,
Therefore, I think the final quarter times might be of significance.

Chef-de-race used to have this data, but that site is gone

Why don't you post this five more times

[Secretriat34]

why don't you post it for me ?

I think its important to get a handle on which colt can run fastest in the final quarter...I guess its not an important database to you

[senator L]

https://www.americasbestracing.net/t...nders-finished

[Secretriat34]

there we go..many thanks

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

there we go..many thanks

ditto

[Secretriat34]

Please see attachment for times in final 3/8ths sorted by fastest as cut from the article above
It looks like ARKANSAS and FLORIDA have the fastest races,
whereas they seemed to have crawled in the Wood and at SA.

NEVER discount the Sunland derby

[tjfla]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Why don't you post this five more times

Instead of complaining why don't u just not answer!! Board used to for guys to talk and get info-what is it now for guys to complain?

I am like the guy who posted the thread-I used the Chef site alot and now that its gone I am trying to find the same info other places(Kinda Hard)

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Instead of complaining why don't u just not answer!! Board used to for guys to talk and get info-what is it now for guys to complain?

I am like the guy who posted the thread-I used the Chef site alot and now that its gone I am trying to find the same info other places(Kinda Hard)

I wouldn't have complained and posted the info if he didn't start 3 threads on the same topic. One is sufficient. It makes things hard to follow here.

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Instead of complaining why don't u just not answer!! Board used to for guys to talk and get info-what is it now for guys to complain?

I am like the guy who posted the thread-I used the Chef site alot and now that its gone I am trying to find the same info other places(Kinda Hard)

Kasept moved the chef thread to the archive section

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I wouldn't have complained and posted the info if he didn't start 3 threads on the same topic. One is sufficient. It makes things hard to follow here.

The thread on being a slow derby is focused on how this derby 143's time will compare to the other derbies in the past..

This current derby 143 time thread is focused on derby 143 contenders and their struggles amongst this group of 2017 colts

2 threads similar topics, one on current contenders, one on a historical perspective..

1) within 143, (this thread)
2) comparing 143 to the other 1 through 142 ( slow derby thread)

[knickslions2]

1)

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

Does anyone know of a web site or publication that would have
the "last quarter" times of the prep races.

There seems to be a lot of pace early in the race 5-6,
Therefore, I think the final quarter times might be of significance.

Chef-de-race used to have this data, but that site is gone

2)We need to assess with statistics how fast or slow these preps have been.
We need a listing of fractional times.

Anyone have that data

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There seems to be a lot of pace early in the race 5-6,
Therefore, I think the final quarter times might be of significance.

In looking at the final pages of the brisnet file, i have noticed that all of the early favorites in kentucky have the best times in the early pace, but in the late pace column, the fav's seem to be the slowest.

I need to assess who will carry the pace and have kick to win at 10f.

Who has this ability this year ?

according to bris...no colt does.

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3 Threads same freakin question. I'm done responding to this

[Secretriat34]

California Chrome // Santa Anita Derby // 01:47.5 // :36.69

I’ll Have Another // Santa Anita Derby // 01:47.9 // :36.41

Real Quiet .......... // Santa Anita Derby // 01:47.4 // :36.56

Always Dreaming // Florida Derby (1st) // 01:47.5 // :36.56


hmmm ? looks like Always Dreaming about racing

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

California Chrome // Santa Anita Derby // 01:47.5 // :36.69

I’ll Have Another // Santa Anita Derby // 01:47.9 // :36.41

Real Quiet .......... // Santa Anita Derby // 01:47.4 // :36.56

Always Dreaming // Florida Derby (1st) // 01:47.5 // :36.56


hmmm ? looks like Always Dreaming about racing

I’ll Have Another // Santa Anita Derby // 01:47.88 // :36.39
Same race... Creative Cause 01:47.89....:36.13...5th in the derby
I corrected the elapsed and incremental pace for both horses in the SA Derby using the chart through formulator. The point remains the same...Creative Cause ran the faster final 3/8ths in the SA Derby and should have been the pick using your criteria. Not to mention you are using raw times without regard to the speed of the track.

[Secretriat34]

I'm not picking anything here, just formatting past data in a form that might have meaning.

The time you quote for creative cause..he lost to IHA in SA and In CD, so I'm not sure what your point is

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by Secretriat34

I'm not picking anything here, just formatting past data in a form that might have meaning.

The time you quote for creative cause..he lost to IHA in SA and In CD, so I'm not sure what your point is

I stated the point...he lost by a whisker at sa and came home faster in the final 3/8. The data you post is reverse engineering, taking a result ( ky derby ) and using a previous result ( sa derby ) to fit your criteria ( fastest closing time in prep race ) only you ignored a faster closing time. Not only that, you cherry picked derby results that fit your theory, while ignoring countless other years where the horse with the fastest closing time in a prep failed to win the derby.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

I stated the point...he lost by a whisker at sa and came home faster in the final 3/8. The data you post is reverse engineering, taking a result ( ky derby ) and using a previous result ( sa derby ) to fit your criteria ( fastest closing time in prep race ) only you ignored a faster closing time. Not only that, you cherry picked derby results that fit your theory, while ignoring countless other years where the horse with the fastest closing time in a prep failed to win the derby.

As much as I appreciate you effort here PCL, I'm afraid that you may be wasting your time explaining relevant, factual data to him.

Closing time, without any regard to pace, track variant, etc. is useless.

But we do have 3 threads to discuss it in, so there's that.

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

I stated the point...he lost by a whisker at sa and came home faster in the final 3/8. The data you post is reverse engineering, taking a result ( ky derby ) and using a previous result ( sa derby ) to fit your criteria ( fastest closing time in prep race ) only you ignored a faster closing time. Not only that, you cherry picked derby results that fit your theory, while ignoring countless other years where the horse with the fastest closing time in a prep failed to win the derby.

well you seem to be reading a lot more into it than just a post comparing past derby winners and their final 3/8ths times to this years colts.
there is no theory
I simply read the list of this year colts that had closing times under 1:48 and type what i read.

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

As much as I appreciate you effort here PCL, I'm afraid that you may be wasting your time explaining relevant, factual data to him.

Closing time, without any regard to pace, track variant, etc. is useless.

But we do have 3 threads to discuss it in, so there's that.

great horses like derby winners can race on any surface or track and win, the only thing that matters is time. how fast can you run 2200 yards in..time and distance.

I dont care about track variant, pace, etc. if you can close the final 1/4 in 22 , your gonna win

[Secretriat34]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

I’ll Have Another // Santa Anita Derby // 01:47.88 // :36.39
Same race... Creative Cause 01:47.89....:36.13...5th in the derby
I corrected the elapsed and incremental pace for both horses in the SA Derby using the chart through formulator. The point remains the same...Creative Cause ran the faster final 3/8ths in the SA Derby and should have been the pick using your criteria. Not to mention you are using raw times without regard to the speed of the track.

I picked derby winners from the article posted above,
creative cause while a good horse LOST to I'll have another.