The decade that keeps giving.......

[Easy Goer Otis]

On a day when Wise Dan set a track record of 1:31:78 in 2012 BC Turf mile, AK finished a fast closing second on a surface and distance that were not in his wheelhouse. His versatility makes him an "A" in my book.

Here's video of the race. AK passes 5 horses in stretch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy-PSInfWtw&t=4s

[10 pnt move up]

At this point I dont even think Baffert believes AP was a better horse than Arrogate.

Just for discussion, who was the best horse AP beat? Effinex?

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

At this point I dont even think Baffert believes AP was a better horse than Arrogate.

Just for discussion, who was the best horse AP beat? Effinex?

Ya American Pharoah sucked. He only won 8 grade 1 races including the triple crown which is easy along with a Breeders Cup romp with a simple 120 Beyer. Arrogate is a great horse but has more to prove.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Ya American Pharoah sucked. He only won 8 grade 1 races including the triple crown which is easy along with a Breeders Cup romp with a simple 120 Beyer. Arrogate is a great horse but has more to prove.

Sure, he is great...who said he sucked?

but its not like its a mountain between the two with on track accomplishments.

Also, like I said, AP never really had to look a really good horse in the eye and beat them. He was very very good.

Gun to my head, I take Arrogate to win with my life on the line. At 10 furlongs I think Arrogate is the best horse I have seen since 1992 when I really started watching racing. His Travers race is one of the best 5 races I have ever seen, and I highly doubt his track record will ever be broken.

[10 pnt move up]

Also, if the timing of this race is adjusted, and it probably will be on Timeform, the figure is going to be out of this world good.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Ya American Pharoah sucked. He only won 8 grade 1 races including the triple crown which is easy along with a Breeders Cup romp with a simple 120 Beyer. Arrogate is a great horse but has more to prove.

I don't think he said AP sucked. He was more accomplished. But not by much at this point. He also was able to run in the Triple Crown. As for whos better. I was AP biggest fan and I don't think its even close. Arrogate is better and has been more brilliant. IMO AP had 2 monster races. The Monmouth race and the BC. Arrogate has 3, in a row.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I don't think he said AP sucked. He was more accomplished. But not by much at this point. He also was able to run in the Triple Crown. As for whos better. I was AP biggest fan and I don't think its even close. Arrogate is better and has been more brilliant. IMO AP had 2 monster races. The Monmouth race and the BC. Arrogate has 3, in a row.

I don't know that we saw what AP was capable of doing, I think he had alot more upside left, which I am not convinced on Arrogate. That being said I think it's probably Arrogate which is the better of the two.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I don't think he said AP sucked. He was more accomplished. But not by much at this point. He also was able to run in the Triple Crown. As for whos better. I was AP biggest fan and I don't think its even close. Arrogate is better and has been more brilliant. IMO AP had 2 monster races. The Monmouth race and the BC. Arrogate has 3, in a row.

The Belmont race was pretty solid too. Fast. AP is a horse I really would like to have seen run as 4 year old.