Royal Delta 2.0

Rupert Pupkin · #1 01-08-2017, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004

Ill take Elate over the Hollendorfer filly who was allowed to set a controlled pace all alone when Oneils 🐎 didn't break. Plus she already had a race.

Did you see Unique Bella today? She won the Grade II Santa Ynez today by about 8 lengths and she was never asked. There is no telling how good she is.

RHT2004 · #2 01-08-2017, 07:32 PM

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Did you see Unique Bella today? She won the Grade II Santa Ynez today by about 8 lengths and she was never asked. There is no telling how good she is.

Ill stick with the Mott fillys.

taxicab · #3 01-09-2017, 11:08 PM

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Did you see Unique Bella today? She won the Grade II Santa Ynez today by about 8 lengths and she was never asked. There is no telling how good she is.

She's really good.......
UB doesn't even look like she wants to sprint,she's built like a router.
She did it shutdown in a canter yesterday....... in race horse time of 1:22.1.
UB looks like your Kentucky Oaks favorite now.

Rupert Pupkin · #4 01-09-2017, 11:49 PM

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She's really good.......
UB doesn't even look like she wants to sprint,she's built like a router.
She did it shutdown in a canter yesterday....... in race horse time of 1:22.1.
UB looks like your Kentucky Oaks favorite now.

I agree. She's bred to go long. She's by Tapit and her dam is Unrivalled Belle, who won the Breeders Cup Distaff.

I think the sky is the limit for this filly.

RHT2004 · #5 01-10-2017, 12:26 AM

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She's really good.......
UB doesn't even look like she wants to sprint,she's built like a router.
She did it shutdown in a canter yesterday....... in race horse time of 1:22.1.
UB looks like your Kentucky Oaks favorite now.

Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

taxicab · #6 01-10-2017, 12:59 AM

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Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

If you want to go off the BSF,that's fine........nothing wrong with that.
But she made two really nice fillies look slow yesterday{It Tiz Well/Shane's Girlfriend}.......and she did it laughing at them.
Remember Mr. 2004,I'm projecting a bit in my evaluation.......I'm looking at a Filly who's built/bred to route,and covers ground ever so easily.
Factor in her stopping the timer and the way she did it........and Voila,the next big thing.
She really passes the eye test:

Note:Turn the volume down in her DMR replay.........trust me.

https://youtu.be/OToofA3FVHQ

https://youtu.be/YnPko8rkNxE

RolloTomasi · #7 01-10-2017, 01:38 AM

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Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

The problem is that Elate doesn't appear to be training at the moment. No workouts since mid-November (before her debut).

Indian Charlie · #8 01-10-2017, 01:45 AM

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The problem is that Elate doesn't appear to be training at the moment. No workouts since mid-November (before her debut).

She was doomed almost immediately.

10 pnt move up · #9 01-10-2017, 11:49 AM

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The problem is that Elate doesn't appear to be training at the moment. No workouts since mid-November (before her debut).

dreamscrusher

RolloTomasi · #10 01-10-2017, 12:36 PM

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dreamscrusher

On the bright side, Close Hatches full sister Lockdown is training steadily and is nominated to this weekend's Busanda.

RHT2004 · #11 01-10-2017, 10:23 PM

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On the bright side, Close Hatches full sister Lockdown is training steadily and is nominated to this weekend's Busanda.

She should jog. NY route to the Oaks. Pretty sure Close Hatches did that also.

Rupert Pupkin · #12 01-10-2017, 05:04 AM

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Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.

RHT2004 · #13 01-10-2017, 10:22 PM

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The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.

Ill never buy stuff like this. Arrogate was never asked much before the Travers and was breezing w/ 99 and 104's.
This horse is bound to be grossly over bet because of the blowout win and the Songbird factor.

Indian Charlie · #14 01-11-2017, 04:26 PM

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Ill never buy stuff like this. Arrogate was never asked much before the Travers and was breezing w/ 99 and 104's.
This horse is bound to be grossly over bet because of the blowout win and the Songbird factor.

By the way, if you are going to use Arrogate as the new standard to compare other horses too, its going to be a long time until you see another good horse.

10 pnt move up · #15 01-12-2017, 09:10 AM

I dont use Beyer figures at all but Timeform had it a 112 figure, which is ok but nothing special. Interestingly enough Songbird ran 111 a month later than this in easy victory at SA.

The thing I liked about the race, compared to say Mastery, who has had pretty cake trips is this horse was taken a bit of the pace after a average break and then made a 5 wide move.

Of course what are the odds that one barn has two brilliant horses back to back...unlikely.

Rupert Pupkin · #16 02-06-2017, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.

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Ill never buy stuff like this. Arrogate was never asked much before the Travers and was breezing w/ 99 and 104's.
This horse is bound to be grossly over bet because of the blowout win and the Songbird factor.

You should start buying stuff like that. She ran a 98 yesterday. She added 10 points to her speed figure, like she figured to. And even yesterday she made a premature move into a very fast pace. In addition, she wasn't all out the final 16th of a mile. She can easily move up another 5-6 Beyer points off that race. If she continues to improve at this pace, pretty soon she might be able to compete with Elate.

Indian Charlie · #17 02-06-2017, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.

You should start buying stuff like that. She ran a 98 yesterday. She added 10 points to her speed figure, like she figured to. And even yesterday she made a premature move into a very fast pace. In addition, she wasn't all out the final 16th of a mile. She can easily move up another 5-6 Beyer points off that race. If she continues to improve at this pace, pretty soon she might be able to compete with Elate.

Go easy on the Hen. I think he bet the Patriots in the first half and the Falcons in the second half.

blackthroatedwind · #18 02-06-2017, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.

You should start buying stuff like that. She ran a 98 yesterday. She added 10 points to her speed figure, like she figured to. And even yesterday she made a premature move into a very fast pace. In addition, she wasn't all out the final 16th of a mile. She can easily move up another 5-6 Beyer points off that race. If she continues to improve at this pace, pretty soon she might be able to compete with Elate.

This is a bit silly, and an extremely lame attempt at "I told you so." The fact that a newly turned 3YO ran 11 Beyer points higher than her maiden win, which was off a five month layoff, and then ten points better than her second start off that layoff, hardly proves the "this horse could easily have gone much faster" BS that gets spewed with relative regularity, and is, in fact, BS in virtually every case ( they said it about Bernardini, like it was a given, and it proved to not be the case ). In this case, it was likely a combination of the fact that maybe she could have gone a little faster and she's improving with time, experience, and training.

Unique Bella is a terrific horse. Possibly better than last year's flavor of the month/year. Do you really need to say "I told you so" to make yourself feel better?

RolloTomasi · #19 01-18-2017, 02:29 AM

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Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

That 88 Beyer looks pretty strong next to a 75 for Lockdown.

But have no fear, Elate finally returned to the worktab down in Florida. There might be time for a prep before the Oaks although it's possible Bill Mott might be looking towards the NY races in the spring and summer instead.

RHT2004 · #20 01-18-2017, 02:31 AM

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That 88 Beyer looks pretty strong next to a 75 for Lockdown.

But have no fear, Elate finally returned to the worktab down in Florida. There might be time for a prep before the Oaks although it's possible Bill Mott might be looking towards the NY races in the spring and summer instead.

I thought Lockdown ran fine. Did all the dirty work chasing a 3-5 chalk. Huge future.