tampa jock ban (Update)

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I'd be surprised if it's for race fixing for the simple fact Jose "Chokehold" Ferrer isn't among those banned.

Stud you and I talked about Tampa last year and I told you why I don't play the place. I know about the large fields, I know about the grass course, I know they pay great. But anytime I've ever tried to make a run at following and understanding the place, I've never felt like I could get a handle on the place.
At any track where purses are miniscule, I think harness racing. By that mean, if the purse on a race is 6 grand, the winning jockey and trainer get 360 bucks for winning the thing, and for the jockey 90 bucks of that goes to his agent. Why should they bust their asses to win all the time when you can geta few races home each day and EVERYONE makes more than that?
I like the small tracks where the purse money is fueled up by slots, you put some money out there and believe me guys try harder. Its just human nature.
I just can't play the joint.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stud you and I talked about Tampa last year and I told you why I don't play the place. I know about the large fields, I know about the grass course, I know they pay great. But anytime I've ever tried to make a run at following and understanding the place, I've never felt like I could get a handle on the place.
At any track where purses are miniscule, I think harness racing. By that mean, if the purse on a race is 6 grand, the winning jockey and trainer get 360 bucks for winning the thing, and for the jockey 90 bucks of that goes to his agent. Why should they bust their asses to win all the time when you can geta few races home each day and EVERYONE makes more than that?
I like the small tracks where the purse money is fueled up by slots, you put some money out there and believe me guys try harder. Its just human nature.
I just can't play the joint.

Strange things happened there more frequently than any other track I ever stabled at.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Strange things happened there more frequently than any other track I ever stabled at.

Your Dad was once at a place where I was, he came in to watch a race at Tampa on the grass that you had a horse in. I liked your horse myself, and your Dad said that you liked the way he was training.
We bet the horse, and you got the full nelson and chokehold the whole way, your dad just grimaced and asked what the guy was doing, I cursed out not only the jockey himself, but the first 4 generations of his family before vowing never to bet the place again.

[packerbacker7964]

Houghton rides at GLD where my horses are at and there has been rumors about him. I won't go into detail but there have numerous fights and threats in the Jock's room. But as in life where the truth lies and what's rumor One may never know.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Your Dad was once at a place where I was, he came in to watch a race at Tampa on the grass that you had a horse in. I liked your horse myself, and your Dad said that you liked the way he was training.
We bet the horse, and you got the full nelson and chokehold the whole way, your dad just grimaced and asked what the guy was doing, I cursed out not only the jockey himself, but the first 4 generations of his family before vowing never to bet the place again.

I know the race you are talking about. I got fined by the stewards for my "language" after the race. I told them if they worried more about what is going on during the race rather than after the race we would all be better off. I have said it before on this board, you would be shocked by the level of ineptitude of stewards nationwide. Of course there are exceptions but depending on them or the commissions to police the sport is a scary proposition.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I know the race you are talking about. I got fined by the stewards for my "language" after the race. I told them if they worried more about what is going on during the race rather than after the race we would all be better off. I have said it before on this board, you would be shocked by the level of ineptitude of stewards nationwide. Of course there are exceptions but depending on them or the commissions to police the sport is a scary proposition.

I bet you do know the race. I was enraged. I started swearing as they went into the first turn, and didn't stop swearing until after they hit the wire. The little criminal mother****er should be a jail cell somewhere wearing a child sized orange jumpsuit and bending over for the soap.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I bet you do know the race. I was enraged. I started swearing as they went into the first turn, and didn't stop swearing until after they hit the wire. The little criminal mother****er should be a jail cell somewhere wearing a child sized orange jumpsuit and bending over for the soap.

So fired up...calm down

Originally Posted by Scav

So fired up...calm down

If I showed you this replay, you would laugh your ass off. You wouldn't believe it if you saw it. NOONE could be that bad by accident. A ten pound bug making his first ride with no whip coulda given a better effort. Horse sure was ready to run though!!! The guy had to wrestle the horse the whole way and steer into trouble twice and THEN go wide when he could have had a hole to get him beat. Little dwarf bastard had to be exhausted when he came back.

At this time let us remember that these individuals
named thus far are "innocent until proven guilty".

If found cheating on racing contests,
these jockeys should be banned permanently from the sport.

Not allowed back into the game as Billy "Buzzer Boy" Patin was.

Originally Posted by The_Guy_Smiley

At this time let us remember that these individuals
named thus far are "innocent until proven guilty".

If found cheating on racing contests,
these jockeys should be banned permanently from the sport.

Not allowed back into the game as Billy "Buzzer Boy" Patin was.

At least Patin was trying to win.
I disagree with a few folks on here about juice and its extent, I think the biggest problem is that stewards let blatant non tries go unnoticed and unpunished.

[Gander]

Canon Shell- I often see your Dad at the simulcast. He is very tight with one of my best friends. Nice man and also very funny. Says great things about you!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gander

Canon Shell- I often see your Dad at the simulcast. He is very tight with one of my best friends. Nice man and also very funny. Says great things about you!

Thanks for the kind words.

[The Bid]

Im in shock cheating is going on at Tampa.

Originally Posted by oracle80

At least Patin was trying to win.

Let's not forget by Mr. Patin "trying" to succeed with extraneous help,
he also cheated out other jockeys, owners, horsemen, Oaklawn Park
not to mention the fans nationwide in the Arkansas Derby.

It's still cheating.

Originally Posted by The_Guy_Smiley

Let's not forget by Mr. Patin "trying" to succeed with extraneous help,
he also cheated out other jockeys, owners, horsemen, Oaklawn Park
not to mention the fans nationwide in the Arkansas Derby.

It's still cheating.

Mr Smiley I wasn't condoning what he did. Its wrong and I certainly didn't mean to convey that I approved of what he did.
Its just not as enraging to me as watching one of these guys pull a stranglejob on one of these horses.

[GPK]

CHEATING AT T3B'S BELOVED TAMPA!!!!!
I suppose someone is gonna tell Da Baron that they cheat at Balmarol??

Im not listening...LALALA...LALALA....LALALA

Originally Posted by oracle80

Mr Smiley I wasn't condoning what he did. Its wrong
and I certainly didn't mean to convey that I approved of what he did.

Its just not as enraging to me as watching one of these guys
pull a stranglejob on one of these horses.

Understood.
I see no reason why Billy Patin is back riding at the Lousiana tracks.
There are other honest and hard working riders available I'm sure.

Now...
"made for TV productions" ? LOL

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stud you and I talked about Tampa last year and I told you why I don't play the place. I know about the large fields, I know about the grass course, I know they pay great. But anytime I've ever tried to make a run at following and understanding the place, I've never felt like I could get a handle on the place.
At any track where purses are miniscule, I think harness racing. By that mean, if the purse on a race is 6 grand, the winning jockey and trainer get 360 bucks for winning the thing, and for the jockey 90 bucks of that goes to his agent. Why should they bust their asses to win all the time when you can geta few races home each day and EVERYONE makes more than that?
I like the small tracks where the purse money is fueled up by slots, you put some money out there and believe me guys try harder. Its just human nature.
I just can't play the joint.

I like the place. Won't play til next month but I'm looking over last year's stuff and watching this year's races. As for the goofy sh it that goes on, I just figure it's all a wash and even figure it benefits me as I will NEVER bet a horse under 6-1 to win there. Maybe I'm wrong for thinking that, but it makes me feel better thinking so.

You certainly can't go to the otb and get a simulcast book or download a drf pp for Tampa at home and have any chance of winning by glancing and firing away. But the pools run $2Mil during the week and $3 Mil+ on the weekends and I truly believe the simulcast money on tracks like Tampa is generally "deader" than on NYRA or SoCal.

If you stick to the multi race exotics, and play single race tris fairly deep when you have a bad chalk, one can do real well playing Tampa.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I like the place. Won't play til next month but I'm looking over last year's stuff and watching this year's races. As for the goofy sh it that goes on, I just figure it's all a wash and even figure it benefits me as I will NEVER bet a horse under 6-1 to win there. Maybe I'm wrong for thinking that, but it makes me feel better thinking so.

You certainly can't go to the otb and get a simulcast book or download a drf pp for Tampa at home and have any chance of winning by glancing and firing away. But the pools run $2Mil during the week and $3 Mil+ on the weekends and I truly believe the simulcast money on tracks like Tampa is generally "deader" than on NYRA or SoCal.

If you stick to the multi race exotics, and play single race tris fairly deep when you have a bad chalk, one can do real well playing Tampa.

I do agree that there is alot of "dead" money bet there. The jocks remaining should be putting in a little extra effort in the coming weeks.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I do agree that there is alot of "dead" money bet there. The jocks remaining should be putting in a little extra effort in the coming weeks.

I was told from a friend down there that there are possilby more riders fixing on getting banned.
This, evidently, has been an ongoing investigation (approx. 4 yrs.) and the riders were "ratted" out by another rider from the east coast.
When a horse has to have the bit surgically removed from its a** after the race, then I would say the rider is fixin' races.