A funny thing happened on the way to the coronation...

[CheekyBird]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

...Nobody is talking about Hillary (as the head of the State Department) refusing to provide more security to our embassy in Benghazi

...The reason Hillary didn't want the embassy to have more security was because she thought it might not look good to have armed guards patrolling the embassy. The embassy wouldn't look as friendly if there were armed guards stationed there. What is more important, protecting our embassy staff, or not wanting to take a chance of possibly offending someone? I would rather vote for a guy who says some stupid stuff, than for a person who refuses to protect our embassy.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...uced-security/

First, just as a point of fact, Benghazi was not an embassy. It was a U.S. consulate office. Typically, U.S. Consulate offices do not have "armed guards." They are in place to help facilitate trade and "citizen to citizen" relations.

Second, what you cite as possible reasons for "denial" of protection for the CONSULATE is based on an OPINION piece. Not fact.

Finally, regarding Trump saying "stupid stuff." Have you ever heard of the saying, "Loose lips sink ships?" He is not running for secondary school president ("Vote for Pedro.") What he says could lead to world war. He needs to GROW UP, and so do his followers.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by CheekyBird

First, just as a point of fact, Benghazi was not an embassy. It was a U.S. consulate office. Typically, U.S. Consulate offices do not have "armed guards." They are in place to help facilitate trade and "citizen to citizen" relations.

Second, what you cite as possible reasons for "denial" of protection for the CONSULATE is based on an OPINION piece. Not fact.

Finally, regarding Trump saying "stupid stuff." Have you ever heard of the saying, "Loose lips sink ships?" He is not running for secondary school president ("Vote for Pedro.") What he says could lead to world war. He needs to GROW UP, and so do his followers.

Why would the fact that other embassies and consulates have been attacked lessen the outrage over Hillary denying requests for more security? If anything, that should raise the outrage. If there had never been any consulate attacks, you could argue that there was no reasonable risk to the consulate. But since there has been a long history of attacks on consulates and embassies, there is no excuse for Hillary denying the requests for more security. In addition, there is obviously more risk in certain countries than others. In countries that have a great number of jihadists, you obviously need serious security.

With regards to your assertion that we don't know for sure what Hillary's reason was for denying the request, the reason is irrelevant. We know for sure that protecting the consulate was "not a high priority" to the State Department. Even the State Department Accountability Review Board said,
"The number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was inadequate, despite repeated requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing. Board members found a pervasive realization among personnel who served in Benghazi that the Special Mission was not a high priority for Washington when it came to security-related requests, especially those relating to staffing."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...eans/#comments

There is no excuse for not protecting your consulate employees.

With regard to your comment about Trump's big mouth possibly leading to war, I disagree with that. Most of our enemies out there like Iran are bullies. Bullies will push you around if you show weakness. If we have a tough leader that talks tough, our enemies are much more likely to respect us and fear us, than if we have a weak leader like Obama. You know the old slogan, "Peace Through Strength".

[Rudeboyelvis]

Brand new CBS poll -

Hillary "edges" away from Trump 45-41%

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-...-cbs-nyt-poll/

Yeah, right.


Poll sampling:

Registered Unweighted = Dem +4%; Registered Weighted = Dem +6%; Among likely voters = Dem +5%

https://www.scribd.com/document/3262...nes#from_embed

[CheekyBird]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Why would the fact that other embassies and consulates have been attacked lessen the outrage over Hillary denying requests for more security?.

This is an interesting exercise only to those who believe HRC "denied" requests for more security when those requests did not go directly to her. Sure, they say the buck stops w/the person in charge, but it seems everyone is free to blame "low level" staff or chain of command except for HRC.

Which brings me to the reason for the graphic depicting embassies and consulates that have in the past been attacked. What previous attacks demonstrate is that not one Secretary of State in the Bush Administration (or a previous administration) was hauled into Congress to answer for those attacks. Dems are mature enough to understand that those who are serve around the world in the diplomatic service are at risk, particularly when serving in politically volatile areas.. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

.... there is no excuse for Hillary denying the requests for more security...

She did not deny requests. Litigated. No wrongdoing found.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

With regard to your comment about Trump's big mouth possibly leading to war, I disagree with that. Most of our enemies out there like Iran are bullies. Bullies will push you around if you show weakness. If we have a tough leader that talks tough, our enemies are much more likely to respect us and fear us, than if we have a weak leader like Obama. You know the old slogan, "Peace Through Strength".

Trump has been described as a bully. Talks all sorts of shite about Mexicans and building a wall then tucks his tail in his bum when meeting the President of Mexico. No one respects Trump! No one! Even more importantly, no one is afraid of Trump. He has done nothing to demonstrate how strong he'd be... unless of course, if that strength involves insulting women.