Weekend Stakes Beyers

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Songbird's BSFs are comparable to Beholder's at 3. She only threw up a triple digit Beyer in her first start against older horses. Even now at 6, Beholder tends to register Beyers in the 90s while often winning in similar fashion to Songbird, often geared down.

As far as dominant 3yo fillies go, it would be interesting to see other champion 3yo filly BSFs in the recent past. Rachel Alexandra and Silverbulletday were clearly faster at 3 based on BSFs. They were also mere shadows of their former selves at 4. I think Banshee Breeze was faster. I don't think Sky Beauty consistently Beyered over 100, nor Blind Luck. Untapable threw up 2 big numbers in the Fair Grounds and Kentucky Oaks but was otherwise stuck in the high 90s the rest of her career.

I think comparing her with Rachel at this point is fruitless and off putting Songbird has earned better then to be compared with a filly she isn't. Rachel too date was in completely different league not because of Fig's but because of the competition he had beaten in fast races. Connects have done everything right, filly has been way better then her competition.
I don't think SB wins the Distaff, I think hitting the board would be a heck of an accomplishment.

Songbird's campaign has been extraordinary and I could really care what her figs have been other then for handicapping and betting. I haven't seen many better 3 year old fillies that's for dam sure, faster not necessarily better.

[Pants II]

I was going to say Rachel is a "she" but it's "the current year" so maybe that changed.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think comparing her with Rachel at this point is fruitless and off putting Songbird has earned better then to be compared with a filly she isn't. Rachel too date was in completely different league not because of Fig's but because of the competition he had beaten in fast races. Connects have done everything right, filly has been way better then her competition.
I don't think SB wins the Distaff, I think hitting the board would be a heck of an accomplishment.

Songbird's campaign has been extraordinary and I could really care what her figs have been other then for handicapping and betting. I haven't seen many better 3 year old fillies that's for dam sure, faster not necessarily better.

Explain the last 4 words? How does that work?

[Indian Charlie]

What have you done!?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Explain the last 4 words? How does that work?

We all have seen fillies run bigger figs then SB best too date they arent better then she IMO

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by freddymo

We all have seen fillies run bigger figs then SB best too date they arent better then she IMO

Icon Project would beat her 10/10 times at 9f and up.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Icon Project would beat her 10/10 times at 9f and up.

I think Icon project was talented as well but be real I think she won 4 times and did she even race 10 times, bit of a laimo. I am not as smart as you I cant go to a filly's best race ever and expect her to run it 10 straight times in a row when she could only do it once or twice in her illustrious 10 race career when it was for real.. in fantasy hypothetical land were a laimo reproduces her single best effort 10 straight times MAYBE she beats Songbird. No Doubt Icon Projects was OK

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think Icon project was talented as well but be real I think she won 4 times and did she even race 10 times, bit of a laimo. I am not as smart as you I cant go to a filly's best race ever and expect her to run it 10 straight times in a row when she could only do it once or twice in her illustrious 10 race career when it was for real.. in fantasy hypothetical land were a laimo reproduces her single best effort 10 straight times MAYBE she beats Songbird. No Doubt Icon Projects was OK

Never mind she was a 4yo, both main track wins were on off tracks, and she strained a tendon in her first dirt start that ultimately led to her retirement before the season's end.

[King Glorious]

I'm not the expert you guys are but I have seen some horses over the years that go ballad out every time and others that do enough to win. I certainly won't say for a fact that Songbird would run faster if required to because we don't know. It's just my belief that if it was needed, she has more to offer. I stopped using Beyer numbers years ago so I couldn't tell how she compares on that level to others of the past. It's also clear that her competition is garbage and hasn't pushed her to have to run faster. Can't wait til the Distaff to get more answers. My money is on her to win.