Good Lord another pletcher freak

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Pedigree does matter! There are always going to be exceptions to the rule, but if a horse like this 2yo breaks his maiden impressively (I just watched it, and damn it WAS impressive) the fact that he is by a horse that won the Derby, Belmont, and Travers makes it MORE LIKELY that he will like the added distance of races like the Champaign or the BC Juvenile. Are there horses that run differently on the track then their pedigree indicates? OF COURSE! But in general there IS a reason that a horse like Thunder Gulch had a higher stud fee than some other - less accomplished - stallions. In addition to being by Thunder Gulch, this 2yo's dam (Circle of Life) was also a G1 winner. This pedigree + an impressive debut = a horse to watch for the major 2 yo stakes this summer and fall.

You make a valid arguement, but to say that there's "better bred" horses that are waiting to run and will be better horses, because of their pedigree, that's nonsense. There's also reasons why high priced horses are busts as well, remember Checkov, we had people annointing him as a great horse, because he cost $4 million, where's he today, has he cleared NW1X?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

You make a valid arguement, but to say that there's "better bred" horses that are waiting to run and will be better horses, because of their pedigree, that's nonsense. There's also reasons why high priced horses are busts as well, remember Checkov, we had people annointing him as a great horse, because he cost $4 million, where's he today, has he cleared NW1X?

Really? Do you know for certain that there aren't any better bred horses waiting to run? They've all run already? How do you know there aren't ten two year olds better than CQ (no matter their pedigrees)? Are we all supposed to agree with you that this is the greatest two year old of the year? If so, I beg to differ. He may end up proving to be that or he may end up a dud- he may end up being somewhere in between. All I am saying is that it is VERY early in the baby season for me to be declaring this colt a champion. By the way, there have been plenty of good horses with great pedigrees, too.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Really? Do you know for certain that there aren't any better bred horses waiting to run? They've all run already? How do you know there aren't ten two year olds better than CQ (no matter their pedigrees)? Are we all supposed to agree with you that this is the greatest two year old of the year? If so, I beg to differ. He may end up proving to be that or he may end up a dud- he may end up being somewhere in between. All I am saying is that it is VERY early in the baby season for me to be declaring this colt a champion. By the way, there have been plenty of good horses with great pedigrees, too.

Tell me how you quantify better bred?

I think he's a nice horse and we'll see what he does, who knows?

There certainly could be more talented horses though, not better bred, because that's an opinion, not a fact. If they are faster and beat him, they are more talented, not better bred.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Tell me how you quantify better bred?

I think he's a nice horse and we'll see what he does, who knows?

There certainly could be more talented horses though, not better bred, because that's an opinion, not a fact. If they are faster and beat him, they are more talented, not better bred.

I have no problem leaving pedigree out of the equation - the horse has a very nice pedigree, period. He clearly looks like a nice colt (at the very least), so I will clarify my comments to say that there may be some more talented horses that haven't run yet....or there may not be. We won't know until the year continues to progress.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I have no problem leaving pedigree out of the equation - the horse has a very nice pedigree, period. He clearly looks like a nice colt (at the very least), so I will clarify my comments to say that there may be some more talented horses that haven't run yet....or there may not be. We won't know until the year continues to progress.

Then I agree with that statement. I am not laying any claim to what this horse might do. My point was that just because there might be what is perceived to be "better bred" horses waiting to run, that they would beat him, they would beat him, because they were better horses.

Just so you guys know, if this horse does anything, Oracle will pull up this post and ram it down your throats, so get ready...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Then I agree with that statement. I am not laying any claim to what this horse might do. My point was that just because there might be what is perceived to be "better bred" horses waiting to run, that they would beat him, they would beat him, because they were better horses.

Just so you guys know, if this horse does anything, Oracle will pull up this post and ram it down your throats, so get ready...

You throw enough posts out there you eventually will say something right.