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Old 12-18-2006, 03:05 PM
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There were much more overrated horses than this one. Fleet Indian, Lava Man, Brother Derek, Giacomo, Henny Hughes come immediately to mind. You can then add Lawyer Ron, Jazil, and my personal selection, Sweetnorthernsaint, who actually went off favored in the Derby somehow.
I would hardly call Lava Man overrated. AND furthermore, how can you call SNS overrated? HORRIBLE trip in the derby and finished 2nd in the Preakness even though he was staggering down the lane and exhausted. Sorry, but I don't agree on those two at all.
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Old 12-18-2006, 03:58 PM
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I would hardly call Lava Man overrated. AND furthermore, how can you call SNS overrated? HORRIBLE trip in the derby and finished 2nd in the Preakness even though he was staggering down the lane and exhausted. Sorry, but I don't agree on those two at all.
No need to apologize, it is just opinion.

How many horses could win everything Lava Man did and still have no chance in the BC? He beat absolutely nothing all year long. I was a fan of what he did, but he took advantage of circumstances while showing he was nothing special figure wise.

SNS? Look at the Preakness chart:

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/story/5625510

Other than one broken down horse and BroDerek, also on my list, there is absolutely nothing there.
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Old 12-18-2006, 04:02 PM
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No need to apologize, it is just opinion.

How many horses could win everything Lava Man did and still have no chance in the BC? He beat absolutely nothing all year long. I was a fan of what he did, but he took advantage of circumstances while showing he was nothing special figure wise.

SNS? Look at the Preakness chart:

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/story/5625510

Other than one broken down horse and BroDerek, also on my list, there is absolutely nothing there.
Well, of course there was nothing there in the Preakness. Do you think that Bernardini was overrated as well? He didn't beat much all season either. As for Lava Man, he doesn't ship well... some horses just don't. I was still impressed with all of his wins this year.
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Old 12-18-2006, 04:03 PM
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With Lava Man, its all about Bute. If he can't run on race day Bute, he's a toss out.
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Old 12-18-2006, 06:40 PM
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With Lava Man, its all about Bute. If he can't run on race day Bute, he's a toss out.
this bit of logic ranks up there with barbaros gate-break conspiracy. how many times does 'race day bute' have to be refuted on this board?!
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Old 12-18-2006, 07:20 PM
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With Lava Man, its all about Bute. If he can't run on race day Bute, he's a toss out.
Since when did Ky make it non race day bute. Heck i left there in 2003 and we could hit them with bute and ketofen on the am of the race. Cannon Shell would know the regulations now/
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Old 12-18-2006, 04:05 PM
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Well, of course there was nothing there in the Preakness. Do you think that Bernardini was overrated as well? He didn't beat much all season either. As for Lava Man, he doesn't ship well... some horses just don't. I was still impressed with all of his wins this year.
If the BC was run at Hollywood or Santa Anita, I still would have given Lava Man no chance.

Bernardini was obviously somewhat overrated, but he isn't anymore.
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Old 12-18-2006, 06:03 PM
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If the BC was run at Hollywood or Santa Anita, I still would have given Lava Man no chance.
Bernardini was obviously somewhat overrated, but he isn't anymore.
i agree with this, I think Lava Mans problem was more to do with the distance and quality of the competition than running outside of Ca.
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