8/27 (SAR): Travers, Ensign, Bishop, Ballerina, Dancer, Forego (G1's), Ballston (G2)

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Which of MTC's races is good enough to beat Lady Eli?

I'm under the assumption that Chad Brown & Co. wouldn't have brought her back unless she was reminiscent of her 'old' self before the freak accident.

She sure as hell looked ready to go in one of her latest workouts with Sea Calisi, but my eyes have been known to fool me before.

And just so you know, when you make silly statements about Chrome and a few others, it just makes you look foolish. As sharp as you've been at times lately, I feel as if you've said some equally idiotic stuff. Just my two red pennies.

Plum Pretty!

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Plum Pretty!

Yea, that one HAD to be put out there to start an argument or something.

That's the only excuse I can think of.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Yea, that one HAD to be put out there to start an argument or something.

That's the only excuse I can think of.

Clearly he either wasn't serious, or he was trying to hard to use hyperbole to illustrate that he thinks Songbird is overrated.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Yea, that one HAD to be put out there to start an argument or something.

That's the only excuse I can think of.

Put the pps next to each other. Who is faster?

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Put the pps next to each other. Who is faster?

Since you're a little slow..... Stick to who is slower

[SundayStar]

Travers looks like a good one. hope they have a fast track.

can't believe summer is over already

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Put the pps next to each other. Who is faster?

Summertime Oaks/Hollywood Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 93 BSF
2016 Songbird - 97

CCA Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 96
2016 Songbird - 101

Alabama
2011 Plum Pretty - 83
2016 Songbird - 95

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Summertime Oaks/Hollywood Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 93 BSF
2016 Songbird - 97

CCA Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 96
2016 Songbird - 101

Alabama
2011 Plum Pretty - 83
2016 Songbird - 95

Real shocker !

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Summertime Oaks/Hollywood Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 93 BSF
2016 Songbird - 97

CCA Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 96
2016 Songbird - 101

Alabama
2011 Plum Pretty - 83
2016 Songbird - 95

You forgot to compensate for the respective trainers.

[Kasept]

6TH (2:23) Personal Ensign S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 1 I'm a Chatterbox Geroux F Jones J Larry 123 L 4-1
2 2 Curalina Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123 L 9-5
3 3 Forever Unbridled Rosario J Stewart Dallas 121 L 7-2
4 4 Paid Up Subscriber Santana R Jr Stall Albert M Jr 119 L 10-1
5 5 Cavorting Castellano J J McLaughlin Kiaran P 121 L 2-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (6-8) $250K GTD Pick 6 Races (6-11), Double Wagers



7TH (2:59) Ballerina S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 1 Birdatthewire Alvarado J Romans Dale 121 Blk-Off L 15-1
2 2 By the Moon Castellano J J Nevin Michelle 119 L 6-1
3 3 Paulassilverlining Ortiz J L Nevin Michelle 119 L 4-1
4 4 Sheer Drama Bravo J Fawkes David 124 L 5-1
5 5 Sarah Sis Geroux F Mason Ingrid 119 L 20-1
6 6 Linda Linda (CHI) Lezcano J Correas Ignacio IV 121 L 30-1
7 7 Spelling Again Saez L Cox Brad H 121 L 12-1
8 8 Wavell Avenue Ortiz I Jr Brown Chad C 121 L 3-1
9 9 Carina Mia Rosario J Mott William I 120 L 7-2
10 10 Haveyougoneaway Velazquez J R Morley Thomas 121 L 10-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (7-9), Double Wagers



8TH (3:35) Ketel One King's Bishop S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 1 Economic Model Ortiz I Jr Brown Chad C 117 Blk-On L 6-1
2 2 Fish Trappe Road Saez L Calhoun W. B 119 L 8-1
3 3 Summer Revolution Castellano J J Rodriguez Rudy R 117 L 6-1
4 4 Tale of S'avall Franco M Tagg Barclay 117 L 30-1
5 5 Bird Song Ortiz J L Wilkes Ian R 117 L 30-1
6 6 Mohaymen Alvarado J McLaughlin Kiaran P 123 L 5-1
7 7 Star Hill Geroux F Arnold George R II 117 Blk-On L 20-1
8 8 Mind Your Biscuits Velazquez J R Falcone, Jr. R N 121 L 15-1
9 9 Jazzy Times Bejarano R Baffert Bob 117 Blk-Off L 8-1
10 10 Rated R Superstar Velasquez C McPeek Kenneth G 119 20-1
11 11 Noholdingback Bear Da Silva E R DePaulo Michael P 117 L 10-1
12 12 Tom's Ready Rosario J Stewart Dallas 121 L 12-1
13 13 Drefong Smith M E Baffert Bob 117 L 4-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (8-10) $1Million GTD Pick 4 (.50) Races (8-11), Double Wagers



9TH (4:12) Priority One Jets Forego S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $700,000

1 1 Catalina Red Saez L Navarro Jorge 122 L 8-1
2 2 Chief Lion Geroux F Jacobson David 118 L 10-1
3 3 Limousine Liberal Castellano J J Colebrook Ben 118 L 15-1
4 4 The Truth Or Else Santana R Jr McPeek Kenneth G 118 L 30-1
5 5 Anchor Down Ortiz J L Pletcher Todd A 120 L 10-1
6 6 Tamarkuz Smith M E McLaughlin Kiaran P 118 L 15-1
7 7 Schivarelli Bejarano R Kenneally Eddie 118 L 20-1
8 8 Stallwalkin' Dude Ortiz I Jr Jacobson David 118 L 8-1
9 9 Ready for Rye Velazquez J R Albertrani Thomas 118 L 10-1
10 10 Dannie's Deceiver Franco M Cannizzo David A 118 L 30-1
11 11 A. P. Indian Bravo J Delacour Arnaud 124 L 5-2
12 12 Marking Rosario J McLaughlin Kiaran P 118 L 3-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (9-11) Grand Slam Races (9-12), Double Wagers



10TH (4:49) Longines Sword Dancer S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 Grand Tito Ortiz J L Delgado Gustavo 120 L 8-1
2 2 Money Multiplier Ortiz I Jr Brown Chad C 116 L 8-1
3 3 Roman Approval Geroux F Maker Michael J 116 L 20-1
4 4 Twilight Eclipse Velazquez J R Albertrani Thomas 122 L 10-1
5 5 Inordinate Gryder A T Brown Chad C 116 L 30-1
6 6 Flintshire (GB) Castellano J J Brown Chad C 124 L 1-5
7 7 Applicator Reyes L Yanakov Mikhail 108 L 30-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (10-12) Pick 4 (.50) Races (10-13), Double Wagers .NO SHOW WAGERING



11TH (5:44) Travers S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,250,000

1 1 Arrogate Smith M E Baffert Bob 126 L 10-1
2 2 American Freedom Bejarano R Baffert Bob 126 Blk-Off L 6-1
3 3 My Man Sam Franco M Brown Chad C 126 L 20-1
4 4 Governor Malibu Rosario J Clement Christophe 126 L 12-1
5 5 Forever d'Oro Saez L Stewart Dallas 126 L 30-1
6 6 Anaximandros Reyes L Yanakov Mikhail 126 L 50-1
7 7 Exaggerator Desormeaux K J Desormeaux J Keith 126 L 3-1
8 8 Destin Castellano J J Pletcher Todd A 126 L 10-1
9 9 Gift Box Alvarado J Brown Chad C 126 L 12-1
10 10 Connect Velazquez J R Brown Chad C 126 L 4-1
11 11 Majesto Santana R Jr Delgado Gustavo 126 Blk-On L 30-1
12 12 Creator Ortiz I Jr Asmussen Steven M 126 L 15-1
13 13 Laoban Ortiz J L Guillot Eric 126 L 15-1
14 14 Gun Runner Geroux F Asmussen Steven M 126 L 10-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (11-13), Double Wagers



12TH (6:20) Woodford Reserve Ballston Spa S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 1 Sweet Acclaim (IRE) Geroux F Cox Brad H 117 L 20-1
2 2 Excilly (GB) Saez L Dascombe Thomas 117 L 20-1
3 3 Lady Eli Ortiz I Jr Brown Chad C 121 L 1-1
4 4 Sympathy Gryder A T Brown Chad C 117 L 50-1
5 5 Sentiero Italia Rosario J McLaughlin Kiaran P 121 L 9-2
6 6 Strike Charmer Alvarado J Hennig Mark 119 L 20-1
7 7 Onus Ortiz J L McGaughey III C R 119 L 12-1
8 8 Miss Temple City Van Dyke D Motion H Graham 123 L 2-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Double Wagers

[freddymo]

so the trainer is part of the which filly is faster equation? who knew...Here I thought we based racing on the horses. I get it ..You add or subtract to their speed and capabilities based on their trainer. So AP's 121 fig in BCC is not as fast as Honor Codes Met Mile 109.. hey is there a trainer variant chart I can acquire or is it IC proprietary?

I get all figs arent equal, even if they are identical, but the trainer element is fascinating.

The trainer values determines if a horse is fast or slow.. 30 years and finally I get why I am losing. I thought it was just because I suck I didnt realize I was missing the KEY

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by freddymo

so the trainer is part of the which filly is faster equation? who knew...Here I thought we based racing on the horses. I get it ..You add or subtract to their speed and capabilities based on their trainer. So AP's 121 fig in BCC is not as fast as Honor Codes Met Mile 109.. hey is there a trainer variant chart I can acquire or is it IC proprietary?

I get all figs arent equal, even if they are identical, but the trainer element is fascinating.

The trainer values determines if a horse is fast or slow.. 30 years and finally I get why I am losing. I thought it was just because I suck I didnt realize I was missing the KEY

It's simple. If a horse is trained by Baffert, add as many points as you need to justify your position.

[-BT-]

that personal ensign is the toughest 5 horse field i've ever seen, 10-1 on Paid Up subscriber? you wouldn't have got that kind of ML on that horse in any other race outside of BC.

the whole card is stacked, never seen so many races where i just want to hit the "ALL" button.

BOL ALL

-bt-

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

It's simple. If a horse is trained by Baffert, add as many points as you need to justify your position.

BSF for Arrogate what we hacking it down to 107? Do we need to consider baffert was the place horse also? Maybe 103?