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Old 08-20-2016, 09:30 PM
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And Beholder ran her heart out! That was a great performance by California Chrome! Excellent race and Dortmund ran his race .
Dortmund ran his race? I think its fair to say he bounced/regressed off his career top last time.
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Old 08-20-2016, 09:34 PM
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Dortmund needs to go BC Dirt Mile.
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Old 08-20-2016, 09:35 PM
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If Victor rode that way in the Belmont Stakes, HE would have been the 12th Triple Crown Champion he's a MONSTER now!
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Old 08-21-2016, 03:44 AM
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If Victor rode that way in the Belmont Stakes, HE would have been the 12th Triple Crown Champion he's a MONSTER now!
He grabbed a quarter. I'm not sure you can blame it on Victor.
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Old 08-20-2016, 09:57 PM
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Dortmund ran his race? I think its fair to say he bounced/regressed off his career top last time.
No, I think it fair to say that Chrome is just in a different league. That is no knock on Dortmund who is a very nice horse. But, he is just not as good Chrome, who is the best horse in training right now.

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Old 08-20-2016, 10:14 PM
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No, I think it fair to say that Chrome is just in a different league. That is no knock on Dortmund who is a very nice horse. But, he is just not as good Chrome, who is the best horse in training right now.

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Old 08-21-2016, 12:46 PM
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No, I think it fair to say that Chrome is just in a different league. That is no knock on Dortmund who is a very nice horse. But, he is just not as good Chrome, who is the best horse in training right now.

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I reluctantly have to concede that it's hard to argue against California Chrome at this point but I'm still going with Songbird. Just opinion though. No facts to back it.
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Old 08-21-2016, 03:04 PM
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I don't see Songbird even remotely in the same class as Chrome, he would dust her.
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Old 08-21-2016, 05:03 PM
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I reluctantly have to concede that it's hard to argue against California Chrome at this point but I'm still going with Songbird. Just opinion though. No facts to back it.
I'm of the popular belief around here that Songbird, while very good, is a tad over rated.

Hell, I think Enola Gray is better.
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Old 08-21-2016, 06:50 PM
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I reluctantly have to concede that it's hard to argue against California Chrome at this point but I'm still going with Songbird. Just opinion though. No facts to back it.
I am a huge Songbird fan. But, to put her in the same breath as the top older horse is silly. She has only run in restricted races and has yet to face older fillies or mares let along males. Chrome horrified two of the top older horses in training. Big difference.

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Judging buy some of the pros on twitter u get the feeling that Songbird for her record is not that highly thought of. She is somewhere between very very good and great.
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Old 08-21-2016, 11:34 PM
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Judging buy some of the pros on twitter u get the feeling that Songbird for her record is not that highly thought of. She is somewhere between very very good and great.
I think that's a pretty accurate way of evaluating her, with the added comment that the rest of the crop is mostly poor.
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I think that's a pretty accurate way of evaluating her, with the added comment that the rest of the crop is mostly poor.
I actually think the 3 year old fillys are a nice group. MUCH better then the colts. Comparing anything filly to Rachel is ridiculous.
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Old 08-23-2016, 12:54 AM
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I am a huge Songbird fan. But, to put her in the same breath as the top older horse is silly. She has only run in restricted races and has yet to face older fillies or mares let along males. Chrome horrified two of the top older horses in training. Big difference.

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As I said, there are no facts to back my feelings so I won't even try. I wouldn't use the fact that she has only faced her own sex or hasn't run outside of restricted races as the argument against her. Sometimes, the toughest competition comes from your own group. Easy Goer was destroying older horses but couldn't handle Sunday Silence. Before her last couple, many felt that Beholder was the best in the country so beating her might have been a tougher challenge than beating the boys.

Again, I'm conceding that I probably am overrating Songbird because her sorry competition has made her look better than she is and if my life depended on it, I'd take Chrome over her. But I just have a feeling that we are seeing a truly special horse and the best is yet to come from her and she's gonna surprise some people.
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:25 AM
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As I said, there are no facts to back my feelings so I won't even try. I wouldn't use the fact that she has only faced her own sex or hasn't run outside of restricted races as the argument against her. Sometimes, the toughest competition comes from your own group. Easy Goer was destroying older horses but couldn't handle Sunday Silence. Before her last couple, many felt that Beholder was the best in the country so beating her might have been a tougher challenge than beating the boys.

Again, I'm conceding that I probably am overrating Songbird because her sorry competition has made her look better than she is and if my life depended on it, I'd take Chrome over her. But I just have a feeling that we are seeing a truly special horse and the best is yet to come from her and she's gonna surprise some people.
I think she's going to surprise people too. With how poorly she stacks up to horses outside of her age group.
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Old 08-23-2016, 09:29 AM
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I hope they don't run Chrome in Dubai next year. Rather see him stateside racing.

I'm not going to knock Songbird's potential but at this point it's going to take a very significant improvement for her to give Chrome any trouble.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:20 PM
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If Chrome wins...

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The Pegasus Cup

then that is roughly $12,000,000 in purse and bonus earnings.

Perry Martin is sitting in the catbird's seat. He's smart enough to know extending the racing career of a proven champion will only add to the value of the horse at stud. And being honest about it he knows that the odds of the horse being successful in the barn are miniscule at best.

You're talking maybe 15-20 million in the barn...if they're lucky.

Chrome stays healthy in training you're looking at that $12 million within 6 months and who knows how much afterwards.

Truly a once in a generation type horse. Thank the gods he has shoddy breeding.
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