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Old 12-18-2006, 12:55 PM
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I'm now moving Strong Pretender's Dwyer up to #1 on my list and his Super Derby up to #2. I'd probably move the Peter Pan into my top ten as well. At least no one takes Sinister Minister seriously. People honestly believe that Strong Pretender is a very good horse though on the basis of beating Doc Cheney and a hammerlocked Lawyer Ron and ignore the fact that he lost to Praying for Cash in the Haskell and Sunriver and Lewis Michael in the Peter Pan. If I was to rank the top 3yo's on dirt I would place him right around High Cotton, Lewis Michael, and Deputy Glitters. Yet from the sounds of things people actually think this horse would have a shot in the Sunshine Millions. The most overrated horse of 2006 is Strong Contender.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:01 PM
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I don't think that much of Strong Contender, though I think he is better than you give him credit for last year.

His Haskell, which has been mentioned a few times, is a total toss. The horse had virtually NO CHANCE on that outside biased racetrack from his post position. To make matters worse, every other jockey knew it by the time the Haskell rolled around, so there was just no way to work out any kind of decent trip. I bet SC very strong in the Super Derby on this knowledge.

I'm not sure why beating a "hammerlocked" Lawyer Ron is such a bad thing. I hate when jockeys do that, but who is to say he would have run any better if let loose? He sure didn't show it in his next start.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:03 PM
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I almost forgot: With a City's "masterpiece" against basically a NW2X field that masquered as a Gr 2 worth around $500K.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:08 PM
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An argument could be made that Strong Contendor was, overall, the most overrated horse of 2006. Idiots like DrugS actually declared him an up and coming superstar after his Gulfstream debut and all things considered his year was extremely disappointing. On the other hand, he showed enough promise in his wins that the possibility exists that he could be a force going into 2007. Unfortunately, being that he's trained by John Ward, the likelihood of further disappointment is acute.

Now, Strong Contendor cannot be THE most overrated horse of 2007, because John " Einstein " Ward claimed midway through the year that Dr. Pleasure, a veritable bum, was actually the best of his 3YOs. So, he would clearly have to be more overrated than Strong Contendor.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:29 PM
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An argument could be made that Strong Contendor was, overall, the most overrated horse of 2006. Idiots like DrugS actually declared him an up and coming superstar after his Gulfstream debut and all things considered his year was extremely disappointing. On the other hand, he showed enough promise in his wins that the possibility exists that he could be a force going into 2007. Unfortunately, being that he's trained by John Ward, the likelihood of further disappointment is acute.

Now, Strong Contendor cannot be THE most overrated horse of 2007, because John " Einstein " Ward claimed midway through the year that Dr. Pleasure, a veritable bum, was actually the best of his 3YOs. So, he would clearly have to be more overrated than Strong Contendor.
Point Determined woud rank up there as well.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:31 PM
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Point Determined woud rank up there as well.
True. The fact that he was bet down to 9-1 in the Derby still blows my mind.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:32 PM
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Well, you have to realize that the vast majority of horses on the TC will be overrated every year.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:42 PM
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Well, you have to realize that the vast majority of horses on the TC will be overrated every year.
That said, it would be unfair not to mention Music School (who's thrilling return yesterday does just that, marks him as another overrated TC contender.) I remember people getting excited last year after his optional claiming win at Oaklawn, followed by an excuse-heavy 3rd or 4th in the Southwest.
Most overrated? No. But he deserves a spot.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:47 PM
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That said, it would be unfair not to mention Music School (who's thrilling return yesterday does just that, marks him as another overrated TC contender.) I remember people getting excited last year after his optional claiming win at Oaklawn, followed by an excuse-heavy 3rd or 4th in the Southwest.
Most overrated? No. But he deserves a spot.

He may be the most ridiculous of all. He won a slow maiden race, with phony trouble, and the whole world was going crazy. Then he had a slow return, followed by phony trouble, and people were still excited.

Now, one could say injuries have slowed him, just as one could also say he was always a bum.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:44 PM
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I agree that Dr. Pleasure would have to be among the most overrated. It seems that the better the bloodline, the more overrated a horse is. Its like people assume he's going to be as good as his mother (Beautiful Pleasure). Or the horse that got beat in a NW2X yesterday at the FG who's a full brother to Ghostzapper. It ain't all in the genes.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:46 PM
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Maybe I should retract my Music School post, he DID beat Aristocrat in the race you mention at Fair Grounds yesterday!
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