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Old 07-30-2016, 09:33 PM
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Stevens: "No excuse. Dick (Mandella) had the best quote, 'It's a lot easier to leave them in the barn.'"
Which I assume they'll do for the Pacific Classic now.
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Old 07-30-2016, 09:48 PM
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Not sure why Gary kind of rated her like that, i mean she let that horse be glued to her hip, i would rather see her go faster and if Victor wants to try a style that is completely new to SW then let go, but basically turning it into a sprint to the finish, with a horse who can make up lengths in the stretch was a bad plan. Took away her speed IMO, took away her advantage.
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Old 07-30-2016, 11:56 PM
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He didn't "rate her", he just let her do her thing and banked on her being best. If he sends her and she opens up 5 and gets tired people are killing him then. Victor had a great ride, but Stevens didn't do anything wrong. The horse got beat on the square by a nice filly.

This obsession by racing fans of grasping for an excuse any time a big favorite gets beat is a disease. Beholder lost by a half-length to a fellow champion. It happens. She didn't have a "bad day" and Gary Stevens certainly didn't get her beat. She just lost narrowly to a fellow good horse in a terrific race. It doesn't need to be microanalyzed beyond that.

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Old 07-31-2016, 06:31 AM
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Beholder lost by a half-length to a fellow champion. It happens. She didn't have a "bad day" and Gary Stevens certainly didn't get her beat. She just lost narrowly to a fellow good horse in a terrific race. It doesn't need to be microanalyzed beyond that.
Very, very good stuff. (and I say that as a huge fan of Beholder.)

We've gotten to see some outstanding horse races in the past week. CC vs Dortmund, Songbird vs Carina Mia, and now Beholder vs Stellar Wind.
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Old 08-02-2016, 08:28 AM
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He didn't "rate her", he just let her do her thing and banked on her being best. If he sends her and she opens up 5 and gets tired people are killing him then. Victor had a great ride, but Stevens didn't do anything wrong. The horse got beat on the square by a nice filly.

This obsession by racing fans of grasping for an excuse any time a big favorite gets beat is a disease. Beholder lost by a half-length to a fellow champion. It happens. She didn't have a "bad day" and Gary Stevens certainly didn't get her beat. She just lost narrowly to a fellow good horse in a terrific race. It doesn't need to be microanalyzed beyond that.
Ditto, she will be back
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Old 08-02-2016, 03:19 PM
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Just saw the figures, race was a crawl till the quarter pole. I don't think that is her best style but others are entitled to their opinion.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:15 AM
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Which I assume they'll do for the Pacific Classic now.
Very little doubt about that. Hate to say it, but I could definitely see a fake "injury" coming out of this race followed by immediate retirement. Hope I'm wrong.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:51 AM
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Very little doubt about that. Hate to say it, but I could definitely see a fake "injury" coming out of this race followed by immediate retirement. Hope I'm wrong.
Right. Because that's how Richard Mandella and B. Wayne Hughes operate.
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Right. Because that's how Richard Mandella and B. Wayne Hughes operate.
Do you believe she's going to the Pacific Classic as scheduled?
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Do you believe she's going to the Pacific Classic as scheduled?
Isn't that an entirely different subject and don't we all understand plans are tenative and fluid?
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Old 07-31-2016, 10:19 AM
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Yes, which is basically what I said in my original post.

She has been the mark of consistency and has been at or near the top of US horses, male or female, for 3 years now, but a warhorse she is not. Take out her 3-year-old season, and she's averaged less than 4 starts per year. It's incredibly sporting that they keep bringing her back, but they've been careful with her to say the least. In my opinion, it's a good possibility she could be done racing after this one. I hope like heck she's not, but it's certainly not some preposterous thought.
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Does any race she has run this year give her a prayer vs the big horse Dortmund?
Plus that other good horse Chrome will be running.
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