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12-17-2006, 08:01 PM
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However... In the Whitney, he came within a head of beating Invasor...and that was a VERY misleading result...but you already know that, because you're sharp. Invasor made a bold and totally pre-mature move in that race, Jara sent him inside of Flower Alley just prior to about the 3/4 pole, a move that clearly suggested he thought that he would be ensured of victory if he could simply put Flower Alley away. He wasn't much worried about anyone else. Invasor was hooked up with Flower Alley for almost five furlongs in that race, very impressively put him away with complete authority at the 1/8th pole, and still had enough left to fight off a DREAM TRIP Sun King. Who could not get passed a very softened up Invasor. 
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12-17-2006, 08:05 PM
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Sadly I don't particularly disagree. Except you have to stop with the Flower Alley baloney. That horse was never really effective. It was the premature move by Jara into the fast pace that proved Invasor's mettle and not his brief interaction with the finished Flower Alley. What the Whitney showed really showed was two things....Invasor is a very good horse and good horses can overcome bad riders.
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12-17-2006, 08:14 PM
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Because his rider wanted to take it to Flower Alley....obviously thinking that Flower Alley was the only horse who could beat him going into that race. Even though Flower Alley ran nine or ten lengths behind Invasor, I actually thought he ran better in that race than just about anyone--as, he had his hand forced by Invasor's premature move... But yeah, Flower Alley's a stalking type, he wasn't taken "out of his game" as much by it as Invasor was.
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12-17-2006, 08:18 PM
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Yes, the mediocre Jara rode Invasor poorly, but Flower Alley was completely ineffectual. I know we have had this argument a thousand times, and I will go watch the race again, but I think Flower Alley ran for about two furlongs at most. I know we had this argument before the Woodward, where you defended Flower Alley, and he ran like crap. Now, it may be fair that he regressed even farther for that race, but it certainly does nothing to defend his Whitney. Running a tad from the 5/8 pole to the 3/8 pole is basically meaningless.
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12-17-2006, 08:22 PM
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I did say Invasor ran a MONSTER race in the Whitney...and was much more impressive than he looked on paper.
But yeah, I also thought FA ran better than his race looked on paper that day...and that opinion of mine was certainly not justified in subsequent results.
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12-17-2006, 10:36 PM
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Interesting list. I agree with most of it but would have had Strong Pretender winning the Dwyer at #2. He ran a mile and a sixteenth at a slower pace than Jazil won the Belmont in despite dealing with 3.5 less furlongs AND one less turn. Yet somehow they gave him a higher Beyer. If 1:45.25 is a 109 Beyer I would have loved to have seen what sort of figure an actual quality horse could have put up that day.
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12-17-2006, 10:52 PM
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I believe statebred allowance horses went 7 furlongs in 1:27, or something absurdly slow like that, one race prior. Tracks obviously don't stay the same speed all the time.
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12-17-2006, 08:08 PM
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I'll throw any of Fleet Indian's races in there instead.
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12-17-2006, 11:36 PM
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12-17-2006, 11:39 PM
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Even if Flower Alley does suck---Jara still moved very prematurely simply to take it Flower Alley.
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12-17-2006, 11:45 PM
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Like you hadn't seen it all before. I thought it was deja vu all over again.
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12-17-2006, 11:59 PM
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1.The Tin Man Arlington Million
2.The Tin Man Dubai Duty Free 3.The Tin Man Clement Hirsch 4.The Tin Man American Invite 5.The Tin Man workout at Hollypark 6-10 Repeat any of Fleet Indian's wins 11-25 I dont know. guess anything that happened in the KEE fall meet Repent
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12-18-2006, 01:09 AM
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Two very overrated races and/or performances you left off drugS.
The gotham stakes. Have any of the major players in that race came back to win a graded stakes this year, other than the one win by SNS, which, leads me to the 2nd overrated race... The Illinois derby. This is the race that created the legend of SNS, especially in the minds of the young and very impressionable. Can you believe people made him the favorite over Barbaro in the ky derby? This right there nails the illinois derby as one of the all time most overrated performances in history!
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