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Old 05-11-2016, 06:03 PM
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The race will be restricted to to 12 entries, whose connections will be required to pay $1 million each to buy a spot in the Pegasus World Cup starting gate.
Will there be 12 sets of connections who are willing to do that?
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:36 PM
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Will there be 12 sets of connections who are willing to do that?
Apparently. They were recruited over the last few months. Jack Wolf on ATR tomorrow to elaborate.
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Old 05-11-2016, 07:06 PM
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Weird hypothetical and likely dumb question...

You're basically buying a spot in the starters gate am I reading that right?

So if you're NYRA or Woodbine, etc...can you buy a spot then run an race where the winner gets the spot in the race?

Plus as the owner of the spot you get to share in the revenue,. etc all the other perks they're pushing?
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Old 05-11-2016, 11:31 PM
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It's a crazy idea that might actually work. I like it.

Note that all owners would be sharing in the handle (could be strong- I figure $8-10 million so $2 million-ish in revenue), media rights (probably not much), and sponsorship (mid-6 figures) so the gamble drops to maybe $600k to win $7 million.
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:05 AM
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It's a crazy idea that might actually work. I like it.

Note that all owners would be sharing in the handle (could be strong- I figure $8-10 million so $2 million-ish in revenue), media rights (probably not much), and sponsorship (mid-6 figures) so the gamble drops to maybe $600k to win $7 million.
I think its brilliant and will crush the BC Classic which I can live with. Assuming many colts will come of the track and head to breeding season. There is a real reason not to retire colts and the impact on Classic seems imminent
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:10 AM
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I think its brilliant and will crush the BC Classic which I can live with. Assuming many colts will come of the track and head to breeding season. There is a real reason not to retire colts and the impact on Classic seems imminent
Why does this at the end of January 'crush' the BC Classic, run 90 days earlier?
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:34 AM
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How would youfeel putting up $1 mil and getting an outside post at GP at 1 1/8 ??? outside the 6 post is greatly disadvantaged there.
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:48 AM
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Why does this at the end of January 'crush' the BC Classic, run 90 days earlier?
Because you have a much more lucrative alternative in Jan.

You saw the beginnings of this trend with Chrome. Let's face it the single biggest reason colts headed to breeding was racing them was not economically feasible.

The classic is going to become a gelding/not as desirable stallion prospect race IF this is successful
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Why does this at the end of January 'crush' the BC Classic, run 90 days earlier?
I guess the question is, aren't you are supposed to have the "World" Championships" at the B.C. The best 4 Y.O.+ horses have usually been targeting that day and have raced all year with that day in mind. You would figure that some of those runners will want to enter into the new race also. For the trainers it would make them question to have a prep race before after a long year or run off a layoff.

The 3 year olds also play in too because they really would have had a tough campaign with the triple crown etc....Those runners will also want to enter into the new race if healthy.

On the good side you would also be able to get the best 1m to 1-3/16m horses to fit in who could race all year with that race in mind. That is what I believe you will get.
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