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Old 12-15-2006, 02:35 PM
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Do you think he would have beaten Barbaro or Bernardini at 12f? I'd even take Brother Derek against him at that distance.
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Old 12-15-2006, 02:41 PM
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Do you think he would have beaten Barbaro or Bernardini at 12f? I'd even take Brother Derek against him at that distance.
No, I think Barbaro and Bernardini would have beaten him. I think Showing Up, SNS, and Brother Derek would have been back with Bluegrass Cat though. At 12 furlongs I think he was the 3rd best in his crop which it seems to me is hardly an embarassment to have him win the Belmont.
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Old 12-15-2006, 02:42 PM
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Do you think he would have beaten Barbaro or Bernardini at 12f? I'd even take Brother Derek against him at that distance.
I'd take Barbaro and Bernardini over him in a heartbeat, and he deadheated with Bro Derek at a mile and a quarter and I'd have to give the edge to Jazil at a mile and a half.
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Old 12-15-2006, 04:23 PM
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I'd take Barbaro and Bernardini over him in a heartbeat, and he deadheated with Bro Derek at a mile and a quarter and I'd have to give the edge to Jazil at a mile and a half.
Jazil would have beaten Bernardini w/o much trouble at 12F. His Derby coming from last at Churchill was better than Bernardini's Classic at the same distance. Stretch it out to 12 and he'd beat Bernardini. Invasor too.

High point of the year -- Barbaro still alive.

My personal racing high point of the year -- Lemons Forever in the Oaks.

Low point of the year -- Lost in the Fog.

My personal racing low point of the year -- having to suffer through that Bernardini drivel from May until November. Now the spaceship has picked up most of the Bernardinians and transported them back to Bernardinia. Where they can pretend that he beats Seattle Slew and runs 1:58 or so.

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Old 12-15-2006, 04:48 PM
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These are personal but:

Year's Best Walking into Saratoga for the first time and taking it ALL in the 4 days we were there.

Close 2nd Would be Breeder's Cup Day

And worse was BC day when Hooves got the call from Steve that Pine Island had been put down.
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Old 12-15-2006, 05:01 PM
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Jazil would have beaten Bernardini w/o much trouble at 12F. His Derby coming from last at Churchill was better than Bernardini's Classic at the same distance. Stretch it out to 12 and he'd beat Bernardini. Invasor too.
You might be the only person alive who believes that Jazil's dead heat for 4th place, while well beaten in the Derby---was so impressive that it would somehow translate to a winning performance over Bernardini and Invasor at slightly further distance of ground.

Invasor and Bernardini are both excellent horses. Heck, the 3rd place finisher to them that day isn't so bad either....he did win a pair of Grade 1's this year..and his win in the Clark was a totally emphatic score over a big field of a average to mediocre types.

Jazil's only other lifetime win, besides the phony Belmont Stakes (when he won from last-to-first in a race that featued a TOTAL pace meltdown up front) came in an AQU maiden special weight race that was taken off-the-turf! He managed to win it by a head, over the great Tasteville, with a 78 Beyer figure. Some horse eh?
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