Most Memorable Moments of 2006 POLL!!!!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Bad: Jazil winning the Belmont Stakes. (In a year when the 3-year-old division was loaded with stars who had blockbuster talent....this nag who is still elidgible for an N2X Alw race wins one of the three Classics.)

Good: The death of Saint Liam. (Just what the breed needed...another stallion who didn't thrive until he was placed in the care of a notorious move-up trainer)




I know, I know....it's very mean to say the death of a superstar horse (or any horse for that matter) is a good thing...especially coming from someone who's been a vegetarian for three and a half weeks now----but, maybe it a good thing for the breed anyway. Basically, I saw Sightseek's two big events a little differently.

Way to show your true colors. Wish death upon a horse because you don't like his trainer. Very classy.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Way to show your true colors. Wish death upon a horse because you don't like his trainer. Very classy.

Where did u read that? He didn't wish death upon anyone just said that he thought it could be good for the sport that another drugged up horse is not out there messing the game up anymore. It's really no different than people who think unsound horses shouldn't be bred. Maybe the way he said it was a bit hard but the point is a valid one IMO.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Where did u read that? He didn't wish death upon anyone just said that he thought it could be good for the sport that another drugged up horse is not out there messing the game up anymore. It's really no different than people who think unsound horses shouldn't be bred. Maybe the way he said it was a bit hard but the point is a valid one IMO.

Like the people that would have bred to him anyways won't just go breed to another drugged up stallion. Calling his death the best moment of the year is tasteless and not even the least bit humorous. Taking someone's best and worst moments and reversing them is at best a lack of creativity and at worst rude.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Like the people that would have bred to him anyways won't just go breed to another drugged up stallion. Calling his death the best moment of the year is tasteless and not even the least bit humorous. Taking someone's best and worst moments and reversing them is at best a lack of creativity and at worst rude.

I wouldn't have gone so far as calling it the best moment of the year myself. But I did at least see where he was going with that.

The comments about Jazil winning the Belmont though, I agree with them 100%. It's a sad day in the sport when horses like that can win races that are supposed to be among our better ones. Same as when Giacomo won the Derby, Wilko won the BC Juv, Sarava won the Belmont. Sure, it's great for the owners and the fans of those horses but it speaks more to the quality of our races, or lack thereof, when these kinds of things happen.

[Samarta]

Best Moment = the most exciting race for me personally this year was The Azeri at Oaklawn...Round Pond and Happy Ticket literally go eyeball to eyeball from gate to wire and Round Pond wins by an eyeball...great race...

Worst Moment = Being mistaken for a woman in the early Derby Trail days....lmaooooooooooo.....

[smartyalex]

Originally Posted by Samarta

Best Moment = the most exciting race for me personally this year was The Azeri at Oaklawn...Round Pond and Happy Ticket literally go eyeball to eyeball from gate to wire and Round Pond wins by an eyeball...great race...

I must say, that was a "DOOZIE"!!! Not to often do you get to experience a race quite like that!

[smartyalex]

Also, while we're at it, I would like to mention the pasing of Second of June. Not that he was a "super horse" but that putting him down was one of the most unfortunate days I had on the backside of the Spires this Summer. I was "right there" when the ambulance brought him back to the barn and tried to evaluate all avenues to keep him with us.......a day I will never forget. RIP Second of June!!!!!

[Holland Hacker]

BEST of 2006:

Barbaro's Derby
Bernardini's Preakness
Pine Island's Alabama

WORST of 2006

Lost in the Fog
Barabro's Preakness
BC Distaff (Pine Island & Fleet Indian)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Where did u read that? He didn't wish death upon anyone just said that he thought it could be good for the sport that another drugged up horse is not out there messing the game up anymore. It's really no different than people who think unsound horses shouldn't be bred. Maybe the way he said it was a bit hard but the point is a valid one IMO.

I would NEVER wish death upon a horse....

I save those wishes for people.


In all seriousness....hearing about Saint Liam's death did not make me feel good in any way at all. I just STRONGLY disagreed with Sightseek's best moment (Jazil's Belmont)....and, though Saint Liam's sudden and early death was sad....a rational case could be made that it wasn't a bad thing for the breed...especially when you look at St. Liam's carrer both Pre and Post Dutrow Jr.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Lost in the Fog's sad and early death hasn't yet been mentioned....

Another horse from a "move-up" trainer with otherworldly stats.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would NEVER wish death upon a horse....

I save those wishes for people.


In all seriousness....hearing about Saint Liam's death did not make me feel good in any way at all. I just STRONGLY disagreed with Sightseek's best moment (Jazil's Belmont)....and, though Saint Liam's sudden and early death was sad....a rational case could be made that it wasn't a bad thing for the breed...especially when you look at St. Liam's carrer both Pre and Post Dutrow Jr.

And it was a PERSONAL response, so you felt you needed to knock both me and something I personally enjoyed? Nice to meet you too. By the way, that is Wild Desert in my avatar, would you like to argue that his sudden death would be good too?

This wasn't a thread about the quality of certain horses, which I'd be the first to admit he wasn't the best of the year, but I liked him. Personally I'm not wild about Discreet Cat (who is a talented horse), but could care less that that is YOUR personal favorite moment.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

And it was a PERSONAL response, so you felt you needed to knock both me.

I never knocked you. Just disagreed.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I never knocked you. Just disagreed.

Which is perfectly fine, but I don't think this was a thread designed to debate what other people enjoyed, so to target what I put was a bit odd.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Which is perfectly fine, but I don't think this was a thread designed to debate what other people enjoyed, so to target what I put was a bit odd.

I am a bit odd.....

Originally Posted by Sightseek

And it was a PERSONAL response, so you felt you needed to knock both me and something I personally enjoyed? Nice to meet you too. By the way, that is Wild Desert in my avatar, would you like to argue that his sudden death would be good too?

This wasn't a thread about the quality of certain horses, which I'd be the first to admit he wasn't the best of the year, but I liked him. Personally I'm not wild about Discreet Cat (who is a talented horse), but could care less that that is YOUR personal favorite moment.

I love these guys who know so much about training who most likely couldn't put a bridle on one if there was a cash reward for doing so.
Mott got a turf mare off the same guy that Dutrow got Liam off of and her form wasn't any good either, yet she became a mutiple graded stakes winner.
He "move her up" as well? I suppose he did, but has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the guy who had those horses simply isn't very good?
Nah, couldn't be that, it doesn't fit the grand scheme of how things shoudl be huh? Mott moved up the filly because he is a classic conditioner, and the other guy did it with juice.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I love these guys who know so much about training who most likely couldn't put a bridle on one if there was a cash reward for doing so.
Mott got a turf mare off the same guy that Dutrow got Liam off of and her form wasn't any good either, yet she became a mutiple graded stakes winner.
He "move her up" as well? I suppose he did, but has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the guy who had those horses simply isn't very good?
Nah, couldn't be that, it doesn't fit the grand scheme of how things shoudl be huh? Mott moved up the filly because he is a classic conditioner, and the other guy did it with juice.

Sands Springs was FAR better for Reinstedler than Saint Liam. Mott improved her a bit because he probably is a better trainer than Tony Reinstedler....who prior to going out on his own worked for Shug. I'm sure he never learned anything from him.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Sands Springs was FAR better for Reinstedler than Saint Liam. Mott improved her a bit because he probably is a better trainer than Tony Reinstedler....who prior to going out on his own worked for Shug. I'm sure he never learned anything from him.

So you look to bet on his horses every chance you get? hes one of those guys I auto toss on seeing his name. he will beat you rarely and when he does it pays like 4 bucks or less. No thanks. Mott is "PROBABLY' a better trainer than reinstedler? Probably?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats like saying Phil Mickelson is probably a better golfer than me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I love these guys who know so much about training who most likely couldn't put a bridle on one if there was a cash reward for doing so.

My mother was the youngest licensed thoroughbred trainer in the State of Pennsylvania at one time. My father also trained horses at one time. Neither were stars. I've spent some time working around horses myself. I spent some time working (albeit as a lowly hot walker) for a veteran trainer who's won races like the Ky Oaks.

I can assure you--I know how to "put a bridle" on a horse. And, even if I didn't know how, and I only was a horse player....that still doesn't mean I would be a fool to suspect that Dutrow Jr. might be using performance enhancers to "move-up" horses.

Look, I will keep this clean and civil....because that's the way Jesus would want it...and it is he who I serve....and he is the reason I am here.

A reading from DrugS 22:30 :

Jesus descended down to Florida, and made his way to a run-down dog track. Walking up amidst degenerate Haitian cab drivers,as well as red-neck sorts who haven't showered in weeks, Jesus could make out the outline of the teacher. Perched at his feet were, skanky coctail waitress from the track's Poker room. "Young ladies, listen to me and I will show you the way. You need not spend money on books, you just need to accept me as your hero. There is nothing I do not know. Come ye, and I will take you to a land of video games and superlative orgasms, and you too can live maybe not so much forever, but for at least the weekend at my roommates place.

Jesus intervened. "Great young teacher, now is not the time for such debauchery. Once again, I will call upon you to expand your conquest in the world of Internet horse racing message boards. It is by my divine order that you can no longer post at Pace Advantage." The young teacher bows his head and says "It is you whom I serve my lord. With all my love, passion, and intelligence. What is it you ask of me?"

"Young teacher, you are to go onto the DerbyTrail message board" Jesus replies. "Be forewarned----you will not be greeted with cookies, punch, and open arms by everyone. You will encounter many scoffers who will doubt you. Some, like Oracle80 will talk down to you and beg to be made an example of. While others, like Balletto, who apparently thinks she is my father, will have the audacity to hurl insults at you. You must not yield to the temptation, young teacher, you must rise above the pack and preach your gift of handicapping enlightenment to the vast and thirsty audience."

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

My mother was the youngest licensed thoroughbred trainer in the State of Pennsylvania at one time. My father also trained horses at one time. Neither were stars. I've spent some time working around horses myself. I spent some time working (albeit as a lowly hot walker) for a veteran trainer who's won races like the Ky Oaks.

I can assure you--I know how to "put a bridle" on a horse. And, even if I didn't know how, and I only was a horse player....that still doesn't mean I would be a fool to suspect that Dutrow Jr. might be using performance enhancers to "move-up" horses.

Look, I will keep this clean and civil....because that's the way Jesus would want it...and it is he who I serve....and he is the reason I am here.

A reading from DrugS 22:30 :

Jesus descended down to Florida, and made his way to a run-down dog track. Walking up amidst degenerate Haitian cab drivers,as well as red-neck sorts who haven't showered in weeks, Jesus could make out the outline of the teacher. Perched at his feet were, skanky coctail waitress from the track's Poker room. "Young ladies, listen to me and I will show you the way. You need not spend money on books, you just need to accept me as your hero. There is nothing I do not know. Come ye, and I will take you to a land of video games and superlative orgasms, and you too can live maybe not so much forever, but for at least the weekend at my roommates place.

Jesus intervened. "Great young teacher, now is not the time for such debauchery. Once again, I will call upon you to expand your conquest in the world of Internet horse racing message boards. It is by my divine order that you can no longer post at Pace Advantage." The young teacher bows his head and says "It is you whom I serve my lord. With all my love, passion, and intelligence. What is it you ask of me?"

"Young teacher, you are to go onto the DerbyTrail message board" Jesus replies. "Be forewarned----you will not be greeted with cookies, punch, and open arms by everyone. You will encounter many scoffers who will doubt you. Some, like Oracle80 will talk down to you and beg to be made an example of. While others, like Balletto, who apparently thinks she is my father, will have the audacity to hurl insults at you. You must not yield to the temptation, young teacher, you must rise above the pack and preach your gift of handicapping enlightenment to the vast and thirsty audience."

Thats pretty funny. Werent you the captain of that PA team that we "made an example of" in that board contest? My apologies sincerely if you were not.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would NEVER wish death upon a horse....

I save those wishes for people.


In all seriousness....hearing about Saint Liam's death did not make me feel good in any way at all. I just STRONGLY disagreed with Sightseek's best moment (Jazil's Belmont)....and, though Saint Liam's sudden and early death was sad....a rational case could be made that it wasn't a bad thing for the breed...especially when you look at St. Liam's carrer both Pre and Post Dutrow Jr.

Fair enough, a rational case that it wasn't a bad thing for the breed is a little different than best moment of the year. I still don't understand why so many people are upset that Jazil busted their Belmont bets. How so many people could have left him off their tickets in a twelve furlong race when he runs between 24 and 25 seconds for every two furlongs no matter the distance still blows my mind. Of course I played all my tickets with Steppenwolfer in the top three spots so I guess I don't have much to brag about either.