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Old 12-15-2006, 10:28 AM
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Do NOT throw out races.
Do NOT draw a line through a race.
Of course I don't agree with this at all.

Circumstances dictate outcomes A LOT in horse racing. In my opinion, both Stormello and Principle Secret are horses who will be more effective (possibly far more so) sprinting, as opposed to routing.

Anyone who followed the 2006 Oak Tree meet knows how ridiculiously kind to speed that track was all meeting long. I believe that both Principle Secret and Stormello were carried to a 1-2 finish in the Norfolk by the nature of the way that racetrack was playing.

Stormello obviously running the better race of the two.

In the Breeders Cup Juvie, Princible Secret and Stormello would set ABSURDLY fast fractions for the distance, while racing 1-2 through the first two pace calls. Meanwhile, the horses racing 13th and 14th (Last & 2nd to Last) through the pace calls....would end up 1st and 2nd at the wire, with the 15/1 shot double digit length winner, running a 108 Beyer figure in victory. The fastest Beyer ever earned in a Breeders Cup Juvie by quite a bit.

Basically, Princible Secret and Stormello both do probably deserve another go at a Grade 1 route race in Southern California...because they ran 1-2 in the Norfolk, which obviously is the last major So. Cal 2yo route stake.

However, these two horses both played a key role in making Street Sense look like the 2nd coming in the Breeders Cup. Both of these horses are totally bred to be sprinters, and I believe both of them will eventually find their way off the "Derby Trail" and on, maybe the King's Bishop trail or something like that.

* Principle Secrets sire won all four of his races sprinting, and failed both times he ran a route of ground. His dam was a sprinter/miler type who is kin to a Graded Stakes winning sprinter.

* Stormello is by Stormy Atlantic out of a really bad Carson City race mare. The female family is totally laced with many useful sprinting stakes types.

I'm not betting the Hollywood Futurity myself...but if I was, I'd look beyond the 1-2 finishers in the Norfolk, and probably for an off-the-pace type.
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Old 12-16-2006, 01:23 PM
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* Principle Secrets sire won all four of his races sprinting, and failed both times he ran a route of ground. His dam was a sprinter/miler type who is kin to a Graded Stakes winning sprinter.

* Stormello is by Stormy Atlantic out of a really bad Carson City race mare. The female family is totally laced with many useful sprinting stakes types..
Im actually going to have to agree with this. Nothing about their pedigrees warrant a look for anything over a mile to a mile and sixteenth.
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Old 12-16-2006, 01:31 PM
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That sums up the problem I have with going by pedigrees. I'm not sure how u can say nothing in their pedigrees warrants even a look when those same two horses have already run 1-2 in Southern California's biggest race of the year so far for 2yo's at the same distance as today's race. There's an old saying in sports that says u should always consider someone when they are being asked to do something they've done before, especially when facing those that have never been asked to do it. This isn't saying that u have to like them for the win but not even warranting a look?
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Old 12-16-2006, 01:36 PM
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Hell, Stormello is one of my picks... but anything over 1 1/16 against colts who are maturing at this time of the year and who will relish some distance is a big challenge.

"Warrant" may have been a little harsh... obvious a horse on an easy lead can go a little father if he's not pressed, but I just see this race not going that way.

I should probably take back "warrant a look"... but every year colts like this garner accolades and Derby hopes but usually fall to the way side. Like Drugs said, King Bishop types.
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:32 PM
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What an impressive race by Belgravia! I told he was the goods, go show em what 2 million gets ya boy. TRIPLE CROWN!
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:47 PM
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You are the best. Like anyone in hoops tonight?

was compromised by the pace, Belmont and Churchill here we come.

I still love ya Bellgravia
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:01 PM
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was compromised by the pace, Belmont and Churchill here we come.

I still love ya Bellgravia
That horse has NO SHOT at 10 furlongs, let alone 12 furlongs....
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:03 PM
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Good race by the winner.
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Old 12-16-2006, 01:36 PM
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Going to bet Principal Secret with Whatsthescript.
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Old 12-16-2006, 05:21 PM
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Lets Go SENIOR!!!
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:29 PM
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Stormello and Belgravia will be so far ahead of the rest here.
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:34 PM
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I think Principal Secret is extremely playable here. His numbers are good and his race two back was more the jock being a moron then the horse.

2-3-6-8 box and win money on 8
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