Bama's offer to Saban

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

He'd still be coach if the jesus freaks didn't overreact. So what if he likes titties, who doesn't? Besides the ESPN crew.

I heard he was up for the ASU job and didn't get it.....

I'm not sure if UA fans are capable of laughing at themselves realizing a joke is a joke but I found this pretty funny.

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger...craigslist.jpg

I think you would find that many coaches are capable of winning chapionships at the college level if they ever start a playoff system.
The current system is really bogus. You haveto basically go undefeated or one loss and its more a function of who has what schedule in what year, where home vs away games are played with key opponents. If Mich was home this year vs OSU, Mich is playing. There has to be a better way.
4 team playoff would certainly be better than this.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think you would find that many coaches are capable of winning chapionships at the college level if they ever start a playoff system.
The current system is really bogus. You haveto basically go undefeated or one loss and its more a function of who has what schedule in what year, where home vs away games are played with key opponents. If Mich was home this year vs OSU, Mich is playing. There has to be a better way.
4 team playoff would certainly be better than this.

correct every other division play it on the field. tonight should be a good game D1-AA Norhern Iowa- App. St., App. St tring to repete with a freshman qb.
the D-2 and D-3 games tomorrow should be good too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

ya know what, I always forget we're the racist state
Rodney King was beaten by Birmingham police
The Watts riots were somewhere in the Mobile Bay area
and Bernie Getz shot all those guys on a Tuscaloosa subway
thanks for reminding me!

Oh I forgot that Alabama was such a bastion of racial diversity and minority opportunity.

[The Bid]

Michigan isnt nearly the team Ohio State is, they were playing for Bo. Ohio State still essentially won by 10, they gave them the give me, bust spread touchdown at the end. Nobody in the country is with in 10 points of Ohio State.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oh I forgot that Alabama was such a bastion of racial diversity and minority opportunity.

well, Birmingham(the biggest city) & Montgomery (the capitol city) are both over 50% black in population, if the state were so racist as everyone claims, why would so many minorities live there? It's a "New" South that is very progressive and the yankees don't like it, because so many people are leaving the NE to move there because companies are moving there~maybe not AL so much but definately Atlanta, and the FL cities, although Birmingham is really taking off too as of late, as is Huntsville

Originally Posted by The Bid

Michigan isnt nearly the team Ohio State is, they were playing for Bo. Ohio State still essentially won by 10, they gave them the give me, bust spread touchdown at the end. Nobody in the country is with in 10 points of Ohio State.

Illinios was, a 2-10 team

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

what does a sports radio talking head in cincinnati and a cincinnati fish-hack know about Alabama Football? my guess is, close to nothing.

the Bama job is still a great job, it will take some extra elbow grease to get it shined up again. appearently coaches now a days don't want to do any work.

CRR can stay at wvu with his terrible in and out of conference schedule win 9-10 games every year. go undefeated and be LUCK to play for the NC IF at all.

Bama interm coach and DC Joe Kines told the team last saturday " CRR traded a goldmine for a coalmine". in the near future, Kines is probably right.

A lot of that depends on the pre-season ranking. Had WVU or Louisville run won the conference and had an undefeated record they would have played for the National Championship. Rutgers had too much ground to make up.

As far as the goldmine to the coalmine comment, that is hysterical. The only way Rodriguez gets more of a goldmine than he already has was by staying put.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by oracle80

What the hell difference do facilities make anyway?
Its football, not figure skating.
All you need is a weight room and a field for them to kick the **** out of each other on.
I don't see what difference it makes.
As far as the coach search goes, they will get a top notch coach sooner or later. Its too good of an opportunity for someone not to take it.
BUt again, if the job is as great as Bama fans are claiming, then why is it still open instead of being immediately filled by guys trying to get in? Isn't that really the proof in the pudding that perhaps Bama fans think its a better job than it is perceived by everyone else?

Once again, I gotta admit Mike you're right on the money. Facilities do matter however. If any program out there wants to see what the prototype facility is, they need to go to NC State. I'm not a Wolfpack fan, but that is hands down the top facility in the nation. I think last year was the first year it was totally complete and I saw in S.I. where the coaches rated it the top place in the country. Now back to the debate, they will get a coach that has potential to be a top notch coach. The problem is they had one and let him go. They have got to realize that a coach can't walk into a place anymore and say I'm the coach at Alabama and is instantly more attractive because of that. They need to give a guy 5 years and leave him alone. If they don't it will never get fixed.

Originally Posted by Samarta

Once again, I gotta admit Mike you're right on the money. Facilities do matter however. If any program out there wants to see what the prototype facility is, they need to go to NC State. I'm not a Wolfpack fan, but that is hands down the top facility in the nation. I think last year was the first year it was totally complete and I saw in S.I. where the coaches rated it the top place in the country. Now back to the debate, they will get a coach that has potential to be a top notch coach. The problem is they had one and let him go. They have got to realize that a coach can't walk into a place anymore and say I'm the coach at Alabama and is instantly more attractive because of that. They need to give a guy 5 years and leave him alone. If they don't it will never get fixed.

so apparently UC has top facilities but not enough money leftover to pay a coach a decent wage~ well we do! BTW I've been to the UC campus and wasn't sure if I was in a government housing project or the slums of Cincinnati.
Ok they had one with the potential, well he never lived up to the potential and was never going to. Shula simply lacks confidence in his own ability to make the correct play call in crucial moments in the game, he lacks presence and disciplinarian skills, and when asked to make any changes to his staff he simply refused, thus was fired. In fact he would only take advice on a game plan from his father or Ray Perkins, one great one good, but both at least 10 years removed from the game. So once again, I ask, if you don't know what you are talking about with the Alabama situation then don't come here yapping about it, because I'll be here to take you down, all the way to Chinatown, baby!

here's a little taste for those of ya'll who don't know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:B...opped.jpg#file

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

so apparently UC has top facilities but not enough money leftover to pay a coach a decent wage~ well we do! BTW I've been to the UC campus and wasn't sure if I was in a government housing project or the slums of Cincinnati.
Ok they had one with the potential, well he never lived up to the potential and was never going to. Shula simply lacks confidence in his own ability to make the correct play call in crucial moments in the game, he lacks presence and disciplinarian skills, and when asked to make any changes to his staff he simply refused, thus was fired. In fact he would only take advice on a game plan from his father or Ray Perkins, one great one good, but both at least 10 years removed from the game. So once again, I ask, if you don't know what you are talking about with the Alabama situation then don't come here yapping about it, because I'll be here to take you down, all the way to Chinatown, baby!

The Alabama situation is what it is....A once great program that is now in the bottom tier of it's conference, run by an administration and boosters that aren't willing to invest in a coach or understand that it is going to take a lot of time to rebuild it, (case in point, your comment about asking Shula to make changes) or the realization that they just can't make an offer to someone and expect them to jump ship because they might already be in a situation that is best for them, their long term goals, and their families.

So while you make your comments about me not knowing anything about the Alabama program, spend a little time brushing up on the coaches they have gone after and their current situations and then lets continue this debate. Perhaps you can give me a tour of Chinatown.....

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

here's a little taste for those of ya'll who don't know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:B...opped.jpg#file

Any major college stadium on any given Saturday in the Fall.

Originally Posted by Samarta

Any major college stadium on any given Saturday in the Fall.

yah, sure it is!

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

yah, sure it is!

Here's a few for ya

http://und.cstv.com/facilities/nd-stadium.html
http://utsports.cstv.com/genrel/081001aaa.html
http://www.aggieathletics.com/facilities.php?FID=7
http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.d...D=41&SPSID=181
http://www.gopsusports.com/Facilities/beaverstadium.cfm

There's 5 and I could have put 20 up there.....some seat a few more than Alabama, some seat a few less, I'm not sure what your point was with the Stadium....like I said, every Saturday all over the country and every school.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

well, Birmingham(the biggest city) & Montgomery (the capitol city) are both over 50% black in population, if the state were so racist as everyone claims, why would so many minorities live there?

Maybe there was just no more room in Beverly Hills?
What does the population of Birmingham have to do with the fact that there is ZERO chance that the U of Alabama will hire a black coach? If you think that there is less racism in the "new" south you are kidding yourself. Ask those that reside in the 9th ward in N.O.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe there was just no more room in Beverly Hills?
What does the population of Birmingham have to do with the fact that there is ZERO chance that the U of Alabama will hire a black coach? If you think that there is less racism in the "new" south you are kidding yourself. Ask those that reside in the 9th ward in N.O.

all of the mentioned black coaches like Green, Willingham, Romeo are gainfully employeed...the first guy we tried to hire was a minority (hispanic). Don't blame Nawlins on Alabama, unfortunatly racism rears its ugly head everywhere

to put this into perspective, at UNC, where basketball is king, they fired Matt Doherty after only three seasons. Doherty played under the legendary Dean Smith, where he was a 4 year starter for the Tarheels. He was seen as a young coach with a ton of "potential" (as I think Samarta put it). Now when he was fired after 3 seasons, not 4 like Coach Shula, I don't remeber all the media scrutiny/or fan bashing, or racial bashing when the Heels decided to make a change. Also, when Coach Guthridge retired, they could have hired longtime assistant Phil Ford (a black man), but they wanted Matt instead (any similarities there?). Roy led the Tarheels to a title 2 years later with mostly all players recruited by Doherty.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

to put this into perspective, at UNC, where basketball is king, they fired Matt Doherty after only three seasons. Doherty played under the legendary Dean Smith, where he was a 4 year starter for the Tarheels. He was seen as a young coach with a ton of "potential" (as I think Samarta put it). Now when he was fired after 3 seasons, not 4 like Coach Shula, I don't remeber all the media scrutiny/or fan bashing, or racial bashing when the Heels decided to make a change. Also, when Coach Guthridge retired, they could have hired longtime assistant Phil Ford (a black man), but they wanted Matt instead (any similarities there?). Roy led the Tarheels to a title 2 years later with mostly all players recruited by Doherty.

Time to turn the tables here. Now you are talking about something you know nothing about. The North Carolina situation is nothing like it....Roy Williams was the guy from day 1. He turned down the offer originally, stayed at Kansas, but the UNC offer remained open at any time he wanted to talk. UNC didn't go after him the 2nd time, he went after them. He is from Chapel Hill, he is loved there, and he was ready to come home. Doherty was basically an interim and he knew that. Phil Ford never expressed any interest in the job nor did he have the credentials that Doherty had.

Originally Posted by Samarta

Time to turn the tables here. Now you are talking about something you know nothing about. The North Carolina situation is nothing like it....Roy Williams was the guy from day 1. He turned down the offer originally, stayed at Kansas, but the UNC offer remained open at any time he wanted to talk. UNC didn't go after him the 2nd time, he went after them. He is from Chapel Hill, he is loved there, and he was ready to come home. Doherty was basically an interim and he knew that. Phil Ford never expressed any interest in the job nor did he have the credentials that Doherty had.

FALSE! Williams was never the guy, he spurned them after Dean retired to stay at Kansas, Matt was NEVER an "interim" otherwise he'd have laughed at them and stayed at Notre Dame. Do you think he wanted to have his reputation shot, sit out a year, then go to FIU, and now at SMU just to be an interim until Roy decides to come over???...that is utterly ridiculos!
with that post you just destroyed the little credibility you had