Black Monday

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Ridiculous. Taylor's first year as a starter without Lesean McCoy and Sammy Watkins for a majority of the season in a very difficult division, with a top loaded schedule:

4 games with the Pats and Jets (sweeping the Jets accounting for 2 of the 6 NYJ losses) and 4 additional games against playoff bound Texans, Chiefs, Redskins, Bengals.

Absolute and complete foolishness.

It has nothing to do with Taylor and neither McCoy nor Watkins were gone "a majority of the season". The problem is he took a top 5 defense and turned it into a bottom 10 defense with his best players openly saying they're not being used correctly. And you're giving him credit for going 1-5 against playoff teams? It's nice that he won his Super Bowl games against the Jets, but when you're purely a defensive coach and you regress as badly as they did on D, that's a big red flag.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It has nothing to do with Taylor and neither McCoy nor Watkins were gone "a majority of the season". The problem is he took a top 5 defense and turned it into a bottom 10 defense with his best players openly saying they're not being used correctly. And you're giving him credit for going 1-5 against playoff teams? It's nice that he won his Super Bowl games against the Jets, but when you're purely a defensive coach and you regress as badly as they did on D, that's a big red flag.

Spot on. Unfortunately it was a false rumor that they were given an ultimatum. Whaley has been given an extension. He is so overrated as a GM. He has major impulse control issues. When he wants something he will way overvalue it. I'd love to sit at a poker table with him. For instance drafting EJ Manual in round 1, Trading 2 #1's for Watkins in a year that was historically loaded at WR.. He grossly overpaid on an extension to McCoy who started showing injury issues at Philly and brought him into a ground and pound scheme.. What did he get for it around 800 yds and a guy who missed about a quarter of the season. Fans are giving him credit for bringing in McCoy almost as if they are crediting Whaley for McCoys stats while in Philly.. I love McCoy but he is overpriced and can't stay healthy just like Watkins, and Tyrod. Lot's of people simply give players a pass when they are injured but in my mind being able to stay on the field is an intangible asset of a player that has to be considered.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Spot on. Unfortunately it was a false rumor that they were given an ultimatum. Whaley has been given an extension. He is so overrated as a GM. He has major impulse control issues. When he wants something he will way overvalue it. I'd love to sit at a poker table with him. For instance drafting EJ Manual in round 1, Trading 2 #1's for Watkins in a year that was historically loaded at WR.. He grossly overpaid on an extension to McCoy who started showing injury issues at Philly and brought him into a ground and pound scheme.. What did he get for it around 800 yds and a guy who missed about a quarter of the season. Fans are giving him credit for bringing in McCoy almost as if they are crediting Whaley for McCoys stats while in Philly.. I love McCoy but he is overpriced and can't stay healthy just like Watkins, and Tyrod. Lot's of people simply give players a pass when they are injured but in my mind being able to stay on the field is an intangible asset of a player that has to be considered.

really? a false rumor....go figure espn running with a false rumor, again.

i know ryan said it was a guarantee they'd be in the post season this year, and of course he was wrong. overrated as a coach. he should be unemployed like his brother.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

really? a false rumor....go figure espn running with a false rumor, again.

i know ryan said it was a guarantee they'd be in the post season this year, and of course he was wrong. overrated as a coach. he should be unemployed like his brother.

Word is the front office wanted to flush out a mole in the organization and planted it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Word is the front office wanted to flush out a mole in the organization and planted it.

it's possible. it's one of my biggest pet peeves with espn, and other news orgs. they run with any and everything, so they can say they had it first. they worry about right or wrong later.

it wouldn't surprise me if he said succeed or you're gone, or if he didn't. i'm pretty sure everyone knows the price if you don't get to playoffs-and for some, even if you get there, you might still get shown the door.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It has nothing to do with Taylor and neither McCoy nor Watkins were gone "a majority of the season". The problem is he took a top 5 defense and turned it into a bottom 10 defense with his best players openly saying they're not being used correctly. And you're giving him credit for going 1-5 against playoff teams? It's nice that he won his Super Bowl games against the Jets, but when you're purely a defensive coach and you regress as badly as they did on D, that's a big red flag.

Not really a fair statement.

Ryan’s defense works a lot better when he has corners that can play good man-to-man

Last year with Jets the team had injuries, a horrific GM, and absolutely NO SECONDARY. Their CBs gave up too many big plays. This year the Jets went out and signed Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine and Marcus Gilchrist so Bowles could essentially run Rex's scheme.

Rex's certainly earned himself some due criticism (as you correctly pointed out) - Namely, he allowed his best pass rushers to drop into coverage as an over compensation for the lack of CB talent & he blitzed too much.

But injuries were a huge problem.

Also bear in mind this year the Bills have lost Kyle Williams, so factor that in.

It's disingenuous to compare 2014 NYJ secondary to 2015 and blame that all on Rex.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Not really a fair statement.

Ryan’s defense works a lot better when he has corners that can play good man-to-man

Last year with Jets the team had injuries, a horrific GM, and absolutely NO SECONDARY. Their CBs gave up too many big plays. This year the Jets went out and signed Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine and Marcus Gilchrist so Bowles could essentially run Rex's scheme.

Rex's certainly earned himself some due criticism (as you correctly pointed out) - Namely, he allowed his best pass rushers to drop into coverage as an over compensation for the lack of CB talent & he blitzed too much.

But injuries were a huge problem.

Also bear in mind this year the Bills have lost Kyle Williams, so factor that in.

It's disingenuous to compare 2014 NYJ secondary to 2015 and blame that all on Rex.

Dude he has Mario Williams and Marcell Dareus drop into pass coverage. He shoved his ****ing half ass system down the throat of a perfectly good defense cause he is an arrogant **** who should never get another head coaching job

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dude he has Mario Williams and Marcell Dareus drop into pass coverage. He shoved his ****ing half ass system down the throat of a perfectly good defense cause he is an arrogant **** who should never get another head coaching job

Wow. Ok.

My only point was that he needs DB's to effectively run is scheme and he hasn't had that the past 2 years. If they continuously pass rush with no secondary, the results are the same and then he's then crucified for not dropping back into coverage.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Wow. Ok.

My only point was that he needs DB's to effectively run is scheme and he hasn't had that the past 2 years. If they continuously pass rush with no secondary, the results are the same and then he's then crucified for not dropping back into coverage.

They had 54 sacks last year and lead the league. They had 21 and finished 31st this year...

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

They had 54 sacks last year and lead the league. They had 21 and finished 31st this year...

And they also had Stephon Gilmore and Corey Graham last year to augment Mckelvin at CB allowing their position players (ie. Williams, Dareus) to do what they do... They had neither this year and that compromised the system.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And they also had Stephon Gilmore and Corey Graham last year to augment Mckelvin at CB allowing their position players (ie. Williams, Dareus) to do what they do... They had neither this year and that compromised the system.

He inherited a Ferrari defense and proceeded to use it to pull a tractor through a cornfield. He is able to sell stupid people with his bravado cause they want to believe all the good things he is selling them. Ki d of like a sleazy used car salesman.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And they also had Stephon Gilmore and Corey Graham last year to augment Mckelvin at CB allowing their position players (ie. Williams, Dareus) to do what they do... They had neither this year and that compromised the system.

Should a coach make a system based on the players he has, or should he make the players try to fit his system?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And they also had Stephon Gilmore and Corey Graham last year to augment Mckelvin at CB allowing their position players (ie. Williams, Dareus) to do what they do... They had neither this year and that compromised the system.

WTW???!!! Corey Graham had a pretty solid season this year.