Fastest Filly Ever...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Balletto

We may agree here... you think she was faster than her dam though?

She was the dam of Storm Cat...who was her dam?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

She was the dam of Storm Cat...who was her dam?

Crimson Saint...

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Crimson Saint...

Thats my girl... I heart my Jamie... she knows my infatuation for everything Crimson Saint! lol

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Balletto

Thats my girl... I heart my Jamie... she knows my infatuation for everything Crimson Saint! lol

You've got good taste!

Crimson Saint is Terlingua's dam... which is why in my original post I said Crimson Saint is partly responsible for some of the fastest "blood" in today's horses.

[KirisClown]

Capote Belle, Exotic Wood....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Capote Belle, Exotic Wood....

Capote Bell... good choice.

[saucon17]

Exotic Wood was one nice filly for Ron Ellis

[The Indomitable DrugS]

For those who don't remember Melair.....

She raced only in 1986, winning all five of her lifetime starts, three of them in Graded Stake races.

Melair is most famous for taking on top males in a $400K Grade 2 Stake and DESTROYING them. She won it by 6 1/2 lengths over 8 time champion South American sire Southern Halo. Snow Cheif, who was Champion 3yo male that same year, finished 3rd beaten 11 lengths. The final time for the mile was a supersonic 1:32 4/5. She was just 3/5ths of Dr. Fager's world record.

She also beat Hidden Light in another Stake that year. Those not fimilar with Hidden Light, she won the Gr 1 Santa Anita Oaks, Gr 1 Hollywood Oaks, and Grade 1 Del Mar Oaks that same year, and she's also the dam of Artie Schiller.

While I was only 5 years old when Melair raced...I have seen film of three of her races...and she was an absolute freak.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For those who don't remember Melair.....

She raced only in 1986, winning all five of her lifetime starts, three of them in Graded Stake races.

Melair is most famous for taking on top males in a $400K Grade 2 Stake and DESTROYING them. She won it by 6 1/2 lengths over 8 time champion South American sire Southern Halo. Snow Cheif, who was Champion 3yo male that same year, finished 3rd beaten 11 lengths. The final time for the mile was a supersonic 1:32 4/5. She was just 3/5ths of Dr. Fager's world record.

She also beat Hidden Light in another Stake that year. Those not fimilar with Hidden Light, she won the Gr 1 Santa Anita Oaks, Gr 1 Hollywood Oaks, and Grade 1 Del Mar Oaks that same year, and she's also the dam of Artie Schiller.

While I was only 5 years old when Melair raced...I have seen film of three of her races...and she was an absolute freak.

Hmm first i've ever heard of her. She raced a year before I was born...

Looking at her pedigree, its pretty interesting. There are lines of some of the best blood of her time, but through individuals that were considered subpar representatives of that blood. She's tail-female to Admiration who produced the incredible Pretty Polly. Amazing how true class will rise out of no where when the blood is there.

Raja Baba is such an underestimated source of class and speed... that family can sure produce a sire.

[Cajungator26]

How about Genuine Risk and Silverbulletday?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For those who don't remember Melair.....

She raced only in 1986, winning all five of her lifetime starts, three of them in Graded Stake races.

Melair is most famous for taking on top males in a $400K Grade 2 Stake and DESTROYING them. She won it by 6 1/2 lengths over 8 time champion South American sire Southern Halo. Snow Cheif, who was Champion 3yo male that same year, finished 3rd beaten 11 lengths. The final time for the mile was a supersonic 1:32 4/5. She was just 3/5ths of Dr. Fager's world record.

She also beat Hidden Light in another Stake that year. Those not fimilar with Hidden Light, she won the Gr 1 Santa Anita Oaks, Gr 1 Hollywood Oaks, and Grade 1 Del Mar Oaks that same year, and she's also the dam of Artie Schiller.

While I was only 5 years old when Melair raced...I have seen film of three of her races...and she was an absolute freak.

That was one of the greatest performances I ever saw. We didn't have simulcasting here back then, and I caught it on ESPN on that racing around the country replay show. It was incredible.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Balletto

Crimson Saint is Terlingua's dam... which is why in my original post I said Crimson Saint is partly responsible for some of the fastest "blood" in today's horses.

At risk of opening myself up for some more of your lame insults...which I assume I deserved because I disagreed with you....

Are you picking Crimison Saint because of her steller produce record...or do you really believe she be justified as an all-time fastest filly based upon what she did on the race track?

I've seen a lot of film of a lot of great fillies---but never seen any of her races. All I know, about her as a race horse is that she was 7-for-11 and made 91K with one graded stake win.

A horse like Spectacular Bid was 24-for-24 lifetime, between the distances of 7 furlong to 1 1/4 miles, setting MANY track records, and overcoming tremendous adversity in some of those wins (Florida Derby etc.) Yet, he was a rather weak stallion. Would you hold the fact that he was so bad in the breeding shed against him as a race horse?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

At risk of opening myself up for some more of your lame insults...which I assume I deserved because I disagreed with you....

Are you picking Crimison Saint because of her steller produce record...or do you really believe she be justified as an all-time fastest filly based upon what she did on the race track?

I've seen a lot of film of a lot of great fillies---but never seen any of her races. All I know, about her as a race horse is that she was 7-for-11 and made 91K with one graded stake win.

A horse like Spectacular Bid was 24-for-24 lifetime, between the distances of 7 furlong to 1 1/4 miles, setting MANY track records, and overcoming tremendous adversity in some of those wins (Florida Derby etc.) Yet, he was a rather weak stallion. Would you hold the fact that he was so bad in the breeding shed against him as a race horse?

First off, the reaction in the prior thread had nothing to do with you disagreeing with me. I welcome it... hell I set up topics with blackie all the time... you learn more from your weaknesses than you do your strengths.

But in response to Crimson Saint, i've heard two trainers, my father (who's opinion and knowledge of the sport I respect.. he's been breeding for 30 years), and a well-known pedigree analyst at Three Chimney's Farm all mention Crimson Saint as a mare that was one of the fastest ever, but very unsound.

So, I researched her and everything backs that up. If you look her up, its consistently (I cringe to use this word again) said she was one of the fastest ever. I'll have to take their word for it... and her blood has obviously given us some of the fastest blood available to breeders today.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

At risk of opening myself up for some more of your lame insults...which I assume I deserved because I disagreed with you....

Are you picking Crimison Saint because of her steller produce record...or do you really believe she be justified as an all-time fastest filly based upon what she did on the race track?

I've seen a lot of film of a lot of great fillies---but never seen any of her races. All I know, about her as a race horse is that she was 7-for-11 and made 91K with one graded stake win.

A horse like Spectacular Bid was 24-for-24 lifetime, between the distances of 7 furlong to 1 1/4 miles, setting MANY track records, and overcoming tremendous adversity in some of those wins (Florida Derby etc.) Yet, he was a rather weak stallion. Would you hold the fact that he was so bad in the breeding shed against him as a race horse?

I hope you aren't serious. You make your name on the racetrack. A great actor, president, doctor is as likely to have some mediocre kids as well. Do their accomplishments get diminished by their kids? Nonsense. There is nothing that can be taken away from Spec Bid.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I hope you aren't serious. You make your name on the racetrack. A great actor, president, doctor is as likely to have some mediocre kids as well. Do their accomplishments get diminished by their kids? Nonsense. There is nothing that can be taken away from Spec Bid.

Your reading comprehension skills might need big improvement.

Re-read my post again.

In my opinion, Spectacular Bid is arguably the greatest horse of all-time. Put it this way....if I ever had to vote for who I believe was the greatest horse ever...he would be the horse who gets my vote...albeit reluctantly.

I totally agree that horses should be judged based upon what they show on the race track....just as sires and broodmares should be judged based upon what they throw and prouduce in the breeding shed.

[blackthroatedwind]

I remember Pine Tree Lane's debut. I believe it was at Aqueduct in the winter, but it may have been the Fall, and she was owned by Teddy Sabresse and trained by Parisella. Anyway, I was in the OTB on John Street, which was one of the first, if not the first, OTB in Manhattan to show a live video feed. The horses are going to the gate, and mind you this is late 1984 or early 1985, so late odds changes, especially substantial ones, were rare at best, and she went from 7-1 to 9-2.

They didn't even need to run the race.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I remember Pine Tree Lane's debut. I believe it was at Aqueduct in the winter, but it may have been the Fall, and she was owned by Teddy Sabresse and trained by Parisella. Anyway, I was in the OTB on John Street, which was one of the first, if not the first, OTB in Manhattan to show a live video feed. The horses are going to the gate, and mind you this is late 1984 or early 1985, so late odds changes, especially substantial ones, were rare at best, and she went from 7-1 to 9-2.

They didn't even need to run the race.

Yeah Sabarese and Parisella had some run with fillies back then.
Cheap Seats, Jones Time Machine, Pine Tree Lane, Kamikaze Rick, etc.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For those who don't remember Melair.....

She raced only in 1986, winning all five of her lifetime starts, three of them in Graded Stake races.

Melair is most famous for taking on top males in a $400K Grade 2 Stake and DESTROYING them. She won it by 6 1/2 lengths over 8 time champion South American sire Southern Halo. Snow Cheif, who was Champion 3yo male that same year, finished 3rd beaten 11 lengths. The final time for the mile was a supersonic 1:32 4/5. She was just 3/5ths of Dr. Fager's world record.

She also beat Hidden Light in another Stake that year. Those not fimilar with Hidden Light, she won the Gr 1 Santa Anita Oaks, Gr 1 Hollywood Oaks, and Grade 1 Del Mar Oaks that same year, and she's also the dam of Artie Schiller.

While I was only 5 years old when Melair raced...I have seen film of three of her races...and she was an absolute freak.

I was at Hollywood Park the day she defeated Snow Chief, I went to see him and couldn't believe the performance of Melair, I was in awe. I don't think she ever ran again unfortunately, soundness was an issue with her.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I was at Hollywood Park the day she defeated Snow Chief, I went to see him and couldn't believe the performance of Melair, I was in awe. I don't think she ever ran again unfortunately, soundness was an issue with her.

How could I forget Melair. Old age catching up to me.