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Old 11-01-2015, 09:43 PM
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Pathetic. A real shame. A very stupid person with too much money selling mattresses. Then he gets a nice horse, hires a fledgling but very smart and astute young trainer to win him a Breeders Cup and the maroon fires her. I know people in Houston . . . that can . . and I leave it at that!!!

Runhappy deserves more form an owner than him!!! Pathetic!!!
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Old 11-01-2015, 09:52 PM
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Somebody help me here. What does Wholers now about horse racing or training? Never heard of either Borell or her but in my book, it sounds like an inside arrangement between the Mattress Maniac and his favorite, maybe. I mean this is insane . . . who the helk is Wholers anyway?

Something not related to horse racing or training that's going on behind the scenes here, I guarantee it!!!
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Old 11-01-2015, 09:58 PM
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This is from the comment section in the Paulick report.... These are not my words, but if this is true would it change anything?


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Maria is being sued for animal neglect and property damage done to a farm she leased. She owes dozens of people at the training center money. She's NOT a good person or good horseman!! This is KARMA at work.
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Old 11-01-2015, 10:04 PM
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True is the real question. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw one of his small mattresses.

Someone in the business who really cares about race horses will come to her rescue if deserved. Not knowing all the facts none of us can figure this out but I'll take a stand and say it smells real fishy to me, against the mattress mole and all of this connections. How do you think he got where he is in the wonderful world of Houston mattresses . . . by being a nice guy?
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Old 11-01-2015, 10:07 PM
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Maria is being sued for animal neglect and property damage done to a farm she leased. She owes dozens of people at the training center money. She's NOT a good person or good horseman!! This is KARMA at work.
Sounds like someone ate some sour grapes. What a soap opera this is turning into!
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Old 11-01-2015, 10:40 PM
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Maria is being sued for animal neglect and property damage done to a farm she leased. She owes dozens of people at the training center money. She's NOT a good person or good horseman!! This is KARMA at work.
If there were any genuine animal-neglect issues surrounding a Breeders' Cup-winning trainer, I feel like PETA would have made a huge deal about it straight away.
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If there were any genuine animal-neglect issues surrounding a Breeders' Cup-winning trainer, I feel like PETA would have made a huge deal about it straight away.
Not even PETA. They did a piece on her for NBC and their research would've turned it up if there were reports in the media. If there was any merit, I find it hard to believe Mac, etc wouldn't have already been aware and nobody would've criticized them for pulling their horse and saying 'sorry I know he's a BC horse, but we can't stand for this.' Nobody would've blamed them which means either they knew and didn't care or there's nothing to care about in the first place.

I dunno about you guys but my radar went up during the trophy presentation and an interview with Mac. He was talking about the Runhappy Team and mentioned the people involved which you could read as 'oh ok there's several people he wants to acknowledge' but I expected him to mention her more prominently and when he didn't, I started paying attention. You know what many BC owners do? Thank the trainer profusely or at the very least they're the first one you bring up and you make a bigger deal than just throwing her name sort of in there with your racing manager and some others. Most owners would know a young trainer like that getting her first BC win would be a huge deal. Did he mention that or anything about her having a bright future? Nope. One of the reasons he picked her was being a young person willing to get up early/stay late, work hard etc. but there was just something weird about the tone. It diminished her accomplishment to me because it implied she was just willing to put in the effort rather than a person with a particular talent that just needed a break. Like any warm body could've done it. She met his needs at the time and was someone he thought wouldn't give him any difficulty because she needed the job. A higher profile trainer'd cost more and might bow up on some demand.

One of the reasons Runhappy was put in her care was supposedly her experience as a vet tech. I wouldn't be shocked if she attempts to rehab other horses and we all know they aren't always in stellar shape or devoid of mud from rolling. There's no telling what they looked like or if there were ignorant people overreacting is what I'm saying. Til she got Runhappy she was a struggling trainer, and I could very well believe she owed someone money from before, but that ain't a reason to fire her on its face. I do know some people claiming to rehab that are actually well-intentioned hoarders. That's always a possibility I suppose, but I really think there's Mac-related shenanigans in any case.

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Old 11-01-2015, 11:53 PM
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http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Res...e=T&eID=267751

She was an 0-22 trainer prior to training RunHappy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...896_story.html

"Wohlers heard from a friend about Borell and sent Runhappy to her Kentucky farm. McIngvale approved of the choice: “She was young and ambitious, and we were looking for a trainer who would do things our way.”
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Maria is being sued for animal neglect and property damage done to a farm she leased. She owes dozens of people at the training center money. She's NOT a good person or good horseman!! This is KARMA at work.
If she's a "program trainer" that Mattress Jerk is making her out to be, then he should be on the hook for paying for service at the training center. The rest smells of a smear campaign to push his agenda.
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Couple of Paulick articles...

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...d-what-we-did/

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...out-the-money/
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"Jim McIngvale interjected that Linda McIngvale “is concerned about the welfare of all animals. My wife has had monkeys and parrots in the furniture store,” he said."

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"Jim McIngvale interjected that Linda McIngvale “is concerned about the welfare of all animals. My wife has had monkeys and parrots in the furniture store,” he said."

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oh, man...that first article. ya better have boots on when you read it, cuz it gets deep into horse crap.
so, this girl was a bad trainer, and didn't keep stalls clean, etc...but they leave horses with her? c'mon man.
over 30 trainers....yikes.
sounds like a guy i worked for years ago, for a few months. found out what kind of clown he was and skedaddled.


“Another horse, Triplehott, had a bad knee that was arthritic. They didn’t want to stop on Triplehott and wanted to get her claimed.” The City Zip filly won at Arlington in June, giving Borell her first career victory, and was claimed for $50,000. Triplehott has raced once since then.

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A comment on the PR from a guy named Wane Stacy says it best:

"Lets make no mistake about the purpose and tone of my post; or my experience in the industry....I have none. I am a photographer. I see emotion and read people through a lens. I have been an acquaintance of Marie for a little over a year. But I am not a "dear friend". I have seen how she has treated and cared for this horse, and it is beyond anything I have seen before when it comes to turning around a "failing" in any business.

To remove Maria as trainer of this horse is going to be devastating for this animal. Does anyone actually believe that RH is going to receive the same attention from Wohlers? is she going to take naps in the stall with this horse? spend nights in the barn with this horse? Not a chance, outside of workout day, and race day she will never be near this animal, and on those days, she won't get any closer than the grandstand, or the rail, until it is time for a photo op.

People have continually tried to throw Wohlers "training" experience up as though she has some wonderful resume.....when the obverse is actually true.

Since the year 2000 she has had 11 stakes races, and her best finish was 2nd with Objective, in 2006. She has only finished in the money that one time. throwing out the 2nd place finish, she has an average finish of 6th place over 10 races in 15 years.....is that who you want training your horse, if you are in fact someone who wants your racehorses to win money?

While on the obverse...Maria has had 6 stakes races, and finished 1st in all but one, a 12th place finish by Sgt. Sandals in 2014...

Young, new, old, hot, ugly.......if you are a horseman/woman, this is who you want training your horses.

Unless,....

What I do know is business, and business is no different from one type to the next. You have businesses that are geared to profit, and those geared to failure. some do it by design, others do it out of ignorance, some do it out of love.

People open restaurants because they love food, and they want you to love their food. Most close within 5 years; many within 24 months....it wasn't about money. It was about love.

Many big businesses want profits from the creation of a service, or device, to dominate, Apple, Microsoft, etc, etc......if a service or product fails, it kills it because its all about the profits.

there are two kinds of of racehorse owners...

Those who out of love and ignorance will invest time, energy, and countless dollars into an animal and a team because they have love for an animal and they believe in it......the money is no consideration.

Those who look at a racehorse as a way to write off debt as a capital gains loss, and tax deduction.

Jim McIngvale is the later in my opinion. Every single time he has a trainer, rider, horse that is ready to take the world by storm, create a great buzz, put the stakes earnings on track to profit......he destroys it. Because if the horse is a winner, then he pays taxes...he is no longer creating deductions on loses.

This man keeps throwing horses at his inept sister in law because he knows she couldn't train a barrel to hold trash.

Maria was fired because she and RH made money......

You want proof?

First off, you don't fire 35 (now 36) of the best trainers in the business over the course of 18 years without being a little bit touched in the head...

Since 1997 McIngvales has posted 31 stakes horses. subtract RH from the lot and you are left with 27 races. in 18 years his horses have had three 1st place finishers, two 2nd place finishers, and two 3rd place finishers.....in 18 years. his average finish for a horse is 5.4 always outside the money.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that he uses horse racing to offset the profits obtained as the "mattress king"...

Wohlers is a middle management yes man(woman), who went crying to the brass when she didn't get her way in front of the "help". McIngvales is a narcissist who believes anyone else's face on the screen or in print other than his own...does him an injustice.

If RH goes off to California and finishes a race higher than 5th place.......I will be beyond astounded.

They can try to spin their PR all they like, but they can't spin math and statistics.
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Somebody help me here. What does Wholers now about horse racing or training? Never heard of either Borell or her but in my book, it sounds like an inside arrangement between the Mattress Maniac and his favorite, maybe. I mean this is insane . . . who the hell is Wholers anyway?
It's his sister in law.. She's been his "trainer" on and off for years.

http://www.horseracingnation.com/person/Laura_Wohlers#
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It's his sister in law.. She's been his "trainer" on and off for years.

http://www.horseracingnation.com/person/Laura_Wohlers#
She won one race with Runhappy . . . and one other with another horse . . . Impressive?! Like I said, there's more to this than logic for sure.
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