facepalm of the day

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the very best time to have it done is immediately after giving birth.

I can see why she would like to do it then, which is why she should choose a hospital willing to accommodate her wishes.

Originally Posted by Danzig

there is NO reason why she should have to arrange a separate procedure.

That is up to her. See above.

Originally Posted by Danzig

they're a hospital, they should do hospital things or get the hell out of the business.

Catholic hospitals generally don't do sterilizations. Why this would surprise anyone I don't know. Why a patient feels that her wishes trump the wishes of hospital administrators I don't know, unless it is because we are increasingly beset by people who feel that they are entitled to whatever they want, whenever they want it from the hands of people who don't want to give it to them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

I can see why she would like to do it then, which is why she should choose a hospital willing to accommodate her wishes.

That is up to her. See above.

Catholic hospitals generally don't do sterilizations. Why this would surprise anyone I don't know. Why a patient feels that her wishes trump the wishes of hospital administrators I don't know, unless it is because we are increasingly beset by people who feel that they are entitled to whatever they want, whenever they want it from the hands of people who don't want to give it to them.

yeah, go figure someone in this secular country expecting medical care at a hospital.
again, if the church can't separate theology from medicine, they should not own hospitals.
and they have sterilized people. I'm sorry you keep ignoring that part.

but yeah, it's just her life, her soon to be born kids health, her future at stake. absolutely, here in the u.s., religion should dictate...
'whatever they want'? catholic hospitals have done tubals, so they have no argument due to past practice.
and don't forget, this is the same business sued for wrongful death, whose lawyers argued that 7 month old viable twins weren't alive, and that the hospital couldn't be held accountable for 'wrongful death'.
so, their theology fits unless money is at stake.
I wonder how many insurers will start dropping such hospitals...who would rather force more procedures and extra costs because of a book written by people who didn't know where the sun went at night. I mean, it's the patients and insurance companies who pay....so, yes, the patient should get what it needs-and this is medically dictated by her doctor.
and i'll listen to a doctor over a religious guy who doesn't give a rats behind about women any day.

have catholic hospitals done tubal ligations? yes. so, what's the deal?

and what about the fact that this very hospital has done tubals til late last year? no wonder her and her doctor were surprised at the sudden turn of events...because they been done there for years. he's probably done them there before.

[Danzig]

http://www.propublica.org/article/u....-sterilization

another article about genesis.
and it's not even as tho this woman is asking for a tubal to prevent pregnancy because she wants no more kids.
it's to prevent a pregnancy that could take her life.
bah, who cares..
more women made every day

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.propublica.org/article/u....-sterilization

another article about genesis.
and it's not even as tho this woman is asking for a tubal to prevent pregnancy because she wants no more kids.
it's to prevent a pregnancy that could take her life.
bah, who cares..
more women made every day

Religion: Men telling women what they're permitted to do with their own bodies.

[OldDog]

But, but . . . you used to do them. It used to be okay.

It's as if people, parties, governments and churches have nevah evah changed their minds/laws/doctrines.

https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/26/w...-party-was-lik

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

But, but . . . you used to do them. It used to be okay.

It's as if people, parties, governments and churches have nevah evah changed their minds/laws/doctrines.

https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/26/w...-party-was-lik

no, according to the church it was never ok. yet they did them.
but now, with no reason given, bishops are cracking down.
not enough new catholics? we all know that birth rates are lower than ever.
need more people to put money in the baskets on sundays.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Religion: Men telling women what they're permitted to do with their own bodies.

and how seriously do they take all this god stuff, considering their past and present actions regarding pedophile priests.
850 years give or take after henry the second and Thomas a becket, we're still having issues with the state and criminous clerks.
unreal.

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ben-carso...d-be-president



I would remind one of the people hoping to swear to uphold the constitution while president that:

The No Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:


The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

and I do so hope that by now, the huckster has been educated about dred scott, and that it actually is no longer 'the law of the land'. jackass

[Danzig]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34320413

Pretty bad that i never saw this story til going to bbc.
this move is so beyond ridiculous. I cant find the words to describe how crazy this is.
how is this allowable?