on the iran deal

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Iran doesnt fund isis. Christ.

A lot of private donors are from qatar. Isis also sells oil from captured areas, and taxes residents in areas they control.
as for countries who support isis..its qatar, the uae, kuwait and saudi arabia.

And all of those are our friends

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

And all of those are our friends

Friends? No. A very smart man once warned us about alliances. (Also said to stay the hell out of european politics, and was so right about that. )Because , one may agree with another on something. Or even several things. But no one can find someone who agrees with them on everything.

That's the thing, whose side do we take? Well, it should always be our own of course. But its not always easy to figure out who would be our best local partner.
Syria, for instance.

In order for a war to be just, three things are necessary. First, the authority of the sovereign. Secondly, a just cause. Thirdly, a rightful intention.
Thomas Aquinas

Now,Thomas was right. But there is more needed. You have to be able to win, else why bother? Cause, if you can't win, you end up with Afghanistan, a war we are still in.
So, for Syria...do we have the authority? A just cause? What would our intention be?
And most importantly...who exactly would we assist? Who would we want in charge? What would the results be? If it would go as our last two efforts have gone, then my god, why do a thing? Haven't we mucked things up enough already in that region?
We and our euro allies have done our level best the last hundred years to completely **** up the middle East. lies in ww one, borders drawn arbitrarily with no input from the people actually living there.
It's like when we kept relocating our native population. But, instead of land, gold, etc...now its oil.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Friends? No. A very smart man once warned us about alliances. (Also said to stay the hell out of european politics, and was so right about that. )Because , one may agree with another on something. Or even several things. But no one can find someone who agrees with them on everything.

That's the thing, whose side do we take? Well, it should always be our own of course. But its not always easy to figure out who would be our best local partner.
Syria, for instance.

In order for a war to be just, three things are necessary. First, the authority of the sovereign. Secondly, a just cause. Thirdly, a rightful intention.
Thomas Aquinas

Now,Thomas was right. But there is more needed. You have to be able to win, else why bother? Cause, if you can't win, you end up with Afghanistan, a war we are still in.
So, for Syria...do we have the authority? A just cause? What would our intention be?
And most importantly...who exactly would we assist? Who would we want in charge? What would the results be? If it would go as our last two efforts have gone, then my god, why do a thing? Haven't we mucked things up enough already in that region?
We and our euro allies have done our level best the last hundred years to completely **** up the middle East. lies in ww one, borders drawn arbitrarily with no input from the people actually living there.
It's like when we kept relocating our native population. But, instead of land, gold, etc...now its oil.

You are preaching to the saved..Kuwait is not our friend?..Didn't the first Bush send troops there and drive out Iraq invaders..Desert Storm..too bad his son failed to learn anything from that..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

You are preaching to the saved..Kuwait is not our friend?..Didn't the first Bush send troops there and drive out Iraq invaders..Desert Storm..too bad his son failed to learn anything from that..

People are your 'friend' when they need you. Kuwait dont need us now.
and yeah, too bad bush two didnt listen to his pop....and now a region in chaos, which is why we didnt go further in gulf one.
better the devil you know then the devil you dont. And saddam was once a friend, we backed him vs iran.
then again, we backed bin laden in afganistan vs russia.
what has choosing got us all these decades in that hellhole? More hellholes.
whackamole on a grand scale.

[bigrun]

6 things you should know about the Iran nuclear deal.


http://www.richmond.com/article_216b...0ac7ced5d.html

[OldDog]

Side effects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNvHAjcHAvs

[OldDog]

More good news!

http://www.bloombergview.com/article...-congress-knew

Meanwhile, the United Nations found last week that an Iranian ballistic missile test in October violated a Security Council resolution.

What is it again that those ballistic missiles are used for...?