The Graveyard of Champions Claims Another

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm sorry, I disagree. I just don't think it was his day. When I saw the opening half go in 48 and change, I thought he was just gonna jog home. It's just not as simple as say a drag race, where a corvette is going to spot a Altima 5 lengths in the stretch and run him down when he wants every time. Even though AP is the better horse, they aren't machines. Victor knew his horse was in trouble, he put Frosted away when he was supposed to, unfortunately he just wasn't good enough on this day to hold off Keen Ice.

Agree 150% but I still think Victor does need to take some of the blame.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Agree 150% but I still think Victor does need to take some of the blame.

I disagree with this. Blame the draw. I think if you reverse AP and Frosted's post positions AP wins and Frosted finishes like 5th. I think CJ also mentioned this.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I disagree with this. Blame the draw. I think if you reverse AP and Frosted's post positions AP wins and Frosted finishes like 5th. I think CJ also mentioned this.

Not sure I understand this. Are you saying the 2 post would have compromised Frosted's ability to get near the lead? Cause you have to think that Victor was going to the lead no matter what post he was breaking from.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Not sure I understand this. Are you saying the 2 post would have compromised Frosted's ability to get near the lead? Cause you have to think that Victor was going to the lead no matter what post he was breaking from.

I think he would have sat just off Frosted and won. He is never rank, he never really pulls. I think the inside forced his hand a little.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I disagree with this. Blame the draw. I think if you reverse AP and Frosted's post positions AP wins and Frosted finishes like 5th. I think CJ also mentioned this.

Actually if AP was really the AP we knew before he could have drawn anything and won. I still have to give Victor some of the blame for panicking and urging AP too prematurely when Frosted eye balled him. Victor's thinking "wow, we're getting pressed not real, what do I do, never seen this" panic sets in and he helps get AP out of his realm. All that said it wouldn't have mattered, or he just was not the AP we all know well that day.

Let's get over it and move on or you can all continue this futile analysis for an other week and prove nothing. Go for it or not.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Actually if AP was really the AP we knew before he could have drawn anything and won. I still have to give Victor some of the blame for panicking and urging AP too prematurely when Frosted eye balled him. Victor's thinking "wow, we're getting pressed not real, what do I do, never seen this" panic sets in and he helps get AP out of his realm. All that said it wouldn't have mattered, or he just was not the AP we all know well that day.

Let's get over it and move on or you can all continue this futile analysis for an other week and prove nothing. Go for it or not.

I still don't understand how victor did anything wrong. Was he supposed to let frosted go by him?

Pharaoh broke well, went to the lead and settled. He got pressed by a multiple stake winning horse and victor asked his horse to keep up and then asked him for all he had in the stretch. The dynamics of the race are beyond his control. It's not like he had a five length lead on the far turn and started scrubbing with no one around him.

Maybe it was the pace, maybe it was the ships and maybe it was the track. Maybe it was just the way the race shaped up. But it wasn't the jock.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Actually if AP was really the AP we knew before he could have drawn anything and won. I still have to give Victor some of the blame for panicking and urging AP too prematurely when Frosted eye balled him. Victor's thinking "wow, we're getting pressed not real, what do I do, never seen this" panic sets in and he helps get AP out of his realm. All that said it wouldn't have mattered, or he just was not the AP we all know well that day.

Let's get over it and move on or you can all continue this futile analysis for an other week and prove nothing. Go for it or not.

I think you need to get over it. You type a lot of garbage around here. AP ran pretty much the same race he always runs, w/ the exception of the giant performance @Monmouth. He is not a super horse. He is a very good 3yr old. He won the triple crown and that cant ever be taken away from him. But Frosted engaged him early and he lost. I do believe there were different circumstances that would have led to an AP victory, but I don't believe he is some super horse, and you continue to post that all over this place. The speed figures on beyer and timeform are in line w/ almost every race he has run. How can you say it wasn't AP or he had a bad day. That's simply not true, at all. But you continue to spew drivel. You cant be objective about the horse. At least admit it, and maybe try to move on.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I think you need to get over it. You type a lot of garbage around here. AP ran pretty much the same race he always runs, w/ the exception of the giant performance @Monmouth. He is not a super horse. He is a very good 3yr old. He won the triple crown and that cant ever be taken away from him. But Frosted engaged him early and he lost. I do believe there were different circumstances that would have led to an AP victory, but I don't believe he is some super horse, and you continue to post that all over this place. The speed figures on beyer and timeform are in line w/ almost every race he has run. How can you say it wasn't AP or he had a bad day. That's simply not true, at all. But you continue to spew drivel. You cant be objective about the horse. At least admit it, and maybe try to move on.

Get over the fact that I among many are AP fans and aren't afraid to admit he is a super horse and far above "very good" as you so ineptly put it. And I'll say it again he wasn't the real AP in the Travers or Keen Ice and the rest would have had another long range shot of his buttox as so many have before . . . oh and get over this . . . he did have a bad day and if that's spewing drivel . . . so be it but it's very good drivel.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Get over the fact that I among many are AP fans and aren't afraid to admit he is a super horse and far above "very good" as you so ineptly put it. And I'll say it again he wasn't the real AP in the Travers or Keen Ice and the rest would have had another long range shot if his buttox as so many have before . . . oh and he did have a bad day and if that's spewing drivel . . . it's very good drivel so get over it.

Guido, come on bud.

Now I know why Eugene Ponticorvo REALLY did himself in.

He was subjected too long to your horse racing blather.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Guido, come on bud.

Now I know why Eugene Ponticorvo REALLY did himself in.

He was subjected too long to your horse racing blather.

Now that's inane drivel.chicken dinner . . . you likey? But you and your locker room buddies like RHT can play slap happy with each other all you want. As they say to the losers on "The Shark Tank", I'm out! Back to racing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Get over the fact that I among many are AP fans and aren't afraid to admit he is a super horse and far above "very good" as you so ineptly put it. And I'll say it again he wasn't the real AP in the Travers or Keen Ice and the rest would have had another long range shot of his buttox as so many have before . . . oh and get over this . . . he did have a bad day and if that's spewing drivel . . . so be it but it's very good drivel.

This is the very definition of a bad opinion.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is the very definition of a bad opinion.

Deleted . . . based on mature judgment since it lowered me to the rest of you. Ga'night!!!

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is the very definition of a bad opinion.

His opinion of Frank Lloyd Wright's contribution to modern architecture is equally stunning.