Another breakdown at Turfway

You guys can have the last word because I am exhausted. And plus I think there are better things to discuss. But it was a good debate (for the most part).

[todko]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You guys can have the last word because I am exhausted. And plus I think there are better things to discuss. But it was a good debate (for the most part).

C'mon Euro.

The trainer calls you after the race and says, "Horse A ran in the 4th and had such and such trip and finished so and so". And then the other trainer calls and says, "Horse B ran in the 8th and had such and such trip and finished so and so". Maybe it's the same trainer -- doesn't really matter.

And then at the end of the conversation the trainer(s) says, "By the way we scoped both horses and they came back fine". And you don't ask why? Or the trainer never mentions why he/she scoped both horses?

Scoping horses after a race isn't normally routine -- especially at a place like Turfway.

Don't blow smoke OK?

Originally Posted by todko

C'mon Euro.

The trainer calls you after the race and says, "Horse A ran in the 4th and had such and such trip and finished so and so". And then the other trainer calls and says, "Horse B ran in the 8th and had such and such trip and finished so and so". Maybe it's the same trainer -- doesn't really matter.

And then at the end of the conversation the trainer(s) says, "By the way we scoped both horses and they came back fine". And you don't ask why? Or the trainer never mentions why he/she scoped both horses?

Scoping horses after a race isn't normally routine -- especially at a place like Turfway.

Don't blow smoke OK?

A couple of things here. I didn't know each horse was scope until I got the email on each this morning. I also pay a one time flat rate per year. I do not pay any monthly bills. I have sent an email back asking why each was scope. When I find out why, I will let you know so you can rest easy.

[todko]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

A couple of things here. I didn't know each horse was scope until I got the email on each this morning. I also pay a one time flat rate per year. I do not pay any monthly bills. I have sent an email back asking why each was scope. When I find out why, I will let you know so you can rest easy.

You do that -- you let me know. Because I am interested in hearing . . .

I didn't appreciate that maybe your ownership was through participating in a club/syndication. Even in most of those -- there are expenses beyond "a one time flat rate fee" if such expenses are necessary.

And I'm not knocking that way of ownership. In fact, I think it's one of the best things the industry has going for it. I wish the general public knew more about it. It would be many more $$$ flowing into racing.

Originally Posted by todko

You do that -- you let me know. Because I am interested in hearing . . .

I didn't appreciate that maybe your ownership was through participating in a club/syndication. Even in most of those -- there are expenses beyond "a one time flat rate fee" if such expenses are necessary.

And I'm not knocking that way of ownership. In fact, I think it's one of the best things the industry has going for it. I wish the general public knew more about it. It would be many more $$$ flowing into racing.

I simply do not have enough money to do it any other way. I dont understand why you dont appreciate it. I think I might be reading your post wrong. Can you state it in another way?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I simply do not have enough money to do it any other way. I dont understand why you dont appreciate it. I think I might be reading your post wrong. Can you state it in another way?

Hes not knocking it, nor is anyone.
Its much better to buy a 10% stake in a few horses and spread around the risk than to buy 100% of one horse and have all the eggs in one basket.
Zillionaires don't have to worry about this, but most folks do.
I commend anyone who swings the bat, no matter how big or small their investment stake is.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hes not knocking it, nor is anyone.
Its much better to buy a 10% stake in a few horses and spread around the risk than to buy 100% of one horse and have all the eggs in one basket.
Zillionaires don't have to worry about this, but most folks do.
I commend anyone who swings the bat, no matter how big or small their investment stake is.

Gotcha--thought I was reading it wrong. I usually try to buy 5%. Sometimes the group wont let you and you have to buy 10%. Either way it works for me. I havent been in the winners circle so far this year so I need a winner.

[todko]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I simply do not have enough money to do it any other way. I dont understand why you dont appreciate it. I think I might be reading your post wrong. Can you state it in another way?

I totally appreciate it. Totally.

It's perhaps the best way to bring new money into racing. America has gambling/venture fever and horse ownership through partnerships/consortium/clubs/syndication or whatever you wish to call it is one of the avenues the industry should publicize. It could potentially draw billions to racing and revitalize the sport.

It's a hell of a lot more interesting than owning stock.

One of my gripes with poly has been the cost and that maybe that money should have been better spent on advertising. Increasing field size does not add to the sport -- it does not draw any new money to the game. It merely reallocates money between tracks.

The general non-horseracing public could care less whether you have Polytrack, Cushion Track, Tapeta, dirt, or turf. They don't even know there's a track to begin with let alone what surface the horses run on.

Take Cincinnati for instance. Throw some cheap TV and newspaper commercials showing people who have won $10k or so at Turfway or River Downs. That will immediately draw NEW customers to the track. People want to gamble -- they want to win money -- and the best way to get them to the track is to talk about winnings.

Show the public a person who won $100,000 or so at Turfway and you'll have many new customers. Most people in this area don't even know horse racing exists let alone that you can win money at it.

Show 'em on TV. Holding up a big check. Saying, "I'm Joe Blow and I went to Turfway last Saturday and I came home with $140,000". Pretty simple but effective.

Getting new customers to the track will save racing. If you don't do that -- you'll have empty grandstands facing a poly surface instead of a dirt surface.

Originally Posted by todko

I totally appreciate it. Totally.

It's perhaps the best way to bring new money into racing. America has gambling/venture fever and horse ownership through partnerships/consortium/clubs/syndication or whatever you wish to call it is one of the avenues the industry should publicize. It could potentially draw billions to racing and revitalize the sport.

It's a hell of a lot more interesting than owning stock.

One of my gripes with poly has been the cost and that maybe that money should have been better spent on advertising. Increasing field size does not add to the sport -- it does not draw any new money to the game. It merely reallocates money between tracks.

The general non-horseracing public could care less whether you have Polytrack, Cushion Track, Tapeta, dirt, or turf. They don't even know there's a track to begin with let alone what surface the horses run on.

Take Cincinnati for instance. Throw some cheap TV and newspaper commercials showing people who have won $10k or so at Turfway or River Downs. That will immediately draw NEW customers to the track. People want to gamble -- they want to win money -- and the best way to get them to the track is to talk about winnings.

Show the public a person who won $100,000 or so at Turfway and you'll have many new customers. Most people in this area don't even know horse racing exists let alone that you can win money at it.

Show 'em on TV. Holding up a big check. Saying, "I'm Joe Blow and I went to Turfway last Saturday and I came home with $140,000". Pretty simple but effective.

Getting new customers to the track will save racing. If you don't do that -- you'll have empty grandstands facing a poly surface instead of a dirt surface.

I agree with you to a point. However, I wouldnt be so enthusiastic to have my face plastered on TV and in newspapers if I wont that much money. Marketing horse racing is very difficult concept. The game is very confusing. Once you get a fan to the track then what do you do?