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Old 08-18-2015, 10:29 PM
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Toxins?

As for the school thing....that's all well and good. But kids don't just go to public schools...remember the measles outbreak at Disneyland? Or stores, daycare, the doctors office and so on.
What Carly, or any supposed intelligent person should say is ma'am, you're misinformed about vaccines that have prevented a variety of dangerous and deadly diseases from infecting millions of folks. Please listen to doctors instead of friends on Facebook and playboy centerfolds who cite one debunked study by a doctor who had his license stripped due to that bad study.
People use religion to not take kids to doctors, and now to let their kids flirt with disaster by not taking preventive steps.
Recently a boy died because his parents didn't get him vaccinated. They promptly got his sister caught up on her shots. Fat lot of good it did her dead sibling. I bet if they could go back in time, they wouldn't have been so careless with his health. They sure didn't risk their own! And he paid the price for it.
Unless you are talking about vaccines that DON'T contain mercury-based Thimerosal, Aluminum and Formaldehyde (which would be virtually NONE of them as the ALL do), then yes. Toxins.

But of course that isn't the point. The point is that you trumpet your hypocritical "Constitutionalist" crap ad nauseum, and then at the bat of an eyelash, shove your leftist opinion down the throat of anyone who disagrees with you.

I guess it's cuz u r smarterer than everyone else cuz you copy and paste Slate Op-ed blogs here all day.
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:57 PM
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Unless you are talking about vaccines that DON'T contain mercury-based Thimerosal, Aluminum and Formaldehyde (which would be virtually NONE of them as the ALL do), then yes. Toxins.

But of course that isn't the point. The point is that you trumpet your hypocritical "Constitutionalist" crap ad nauseum, and then at the bat of an eyelash, shove your leftist opinion down the throat of anyone who disagrees with you.

I guess it's cuz u r smarterer than everyone else cuz you copy and paste Slate Op-ed blogs here all day.
I hope you escape soon from whoever is holding you against your will and forcing you to read my leftist crap.
Your blather about mercury and the rest in vaccines is probably as accurate as your Ebola hysteria. As in not at all.

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/jun...oversy-live-on
Why? Good question.
So, rude, why does it live on? What is it that makes people like you see incredibly overwhelming evidence, and say 'nah, that's not true'?
Seriously, why?
also...why are you perfectly polite if we both agree on something, but if it's something you don't see eye to eye with me...the insults start?
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Old 08-19-2015, 08:44 AM
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I hope you escape soon from whoever is holding you against your will and forcing you to read my leftist crap.
Your blather about mercury and the rest in vaccines is probably as accurate as your Ebola hysteria. As in not at all.

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/jun...oversy-live-on
Why? Good question.
So, rude, why does it live on? What is it that makes people like you see incredibly overwhelming evidence, and say 'nah, that's not true'?
Seriously, why?
also...why are you perfectly polite if we both agree on something, but if it's something you don't see eye to eye with me...the insults start?

Soooo...that's the second time you deflected the point, are you going to go for a third by posting another link about vaccines, or will you answer the question?

I don't have a position on vaccines. Period. I'm not in a position to have one, for the same reasons that I don't have a position on abortion. If I were, I believe I would likely choose to vaccinate my kids, but again - that isn't the point.

The point is you are a far fringe leftist that likes to masquerade as a Constitutional centrist. And you are an enormous hypocrite.

Where in the Constitution does it state that the government has dominion over the population - to the point that they should be able to require children to be injected with diseases and toxins in order to prevent the spread of said diseases?

Simply question, really. Not asking you to cut and paste a bunch of pro-injection nonsense, just asking you where it is written that the government has the right to intrude into your family's health, against the wishes of some parents?

You can't and you won't, because it doesn't.

So you and Genuine Riot spend all day telling each other how smart you are as if you two are somehow more *enlightened* then rational people. And how much better off the country would be if we just forced the population of the country to be injected with whatever the hell the government wants to inject us with.

Lovely. Unfortunately, that far-left fringe socialism, a loooong way for the "constitutional centrist" you keep labeling yourself as. And that makes you a hypocrite.

This place is an absolute borefest any more. I won't be responding nor do I believe I will be spending anytime here going forward. You two win the internet.
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Old 08-19-2015, 09:32 AM
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Soooo...that's the second time you deflected the point, are you going to go for a third by posting another link about vaccines, or will you answer the question?

I don't have a position on vaccines. Period. I'm not in a position to have one, for the same reasons that I don't have a position on abortion. If I were, I believe I would likely choose to vaccinate my kids, but again - that isn't the point.

The point is you are a far fringe leftist that likes to masquerade as a Constitutional centrist. And you are an enormous hypocrite.

Where in the Constitution does it state that the government has dominion over the population - to the point that they should be able to require children to be injected with diseases and toxins in order to prevent the spread of said diseases?

Simply question, really. Not asking you to cut and paste a bunch of pro-injection nonsense, just asking you where it is written that the government has the right to intrude into your family's health, against the wishes of some parents?

You can't and you won't, because it doesn't.

So you and Genuine Riot spend all day telling each other how smart you are as if you two are somehow more *enlightened* then rational people. And how much better off the country would be if we just forced the population of the country to be injected with whatever the hell the government wants to inject us with.

Lovely. Unfortunately, that far-left fringe socialism, a loooong way for the "constitutional centrist" you keep labeling yourself as. And that makes you a hypocrite.

This place is an absolute borefest any more. I won't be responding nor do I believe I will be spending anytime here going forward. You two win the internet.
Ive said i dont know how many times that i dont know how one can force people to vaccinate, im not a fan of forcing a lot of things.
however, i am also not keen on people making up stuff to justify not vaccinating their kids. I believe i said that already above. They work, wonderfully, which is why some think they arent necessary. Nothing shows they are harmful.
i am not far left, far right far anything and absolutely believe the constitution is what we should follow.
calling out a mother for making up stuff to justify a bad decision, and calling out a pol for not using the opportunity to inform in no way means i think people should forced to do something. I do hate tho that some folks are so careless with their kids.
and i find it funny you think im not the rational one, and that people who ignore facts are.
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I trust the CDC/Government implicitly. After all, they have never been wrong.
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Old 08-26-2015, 09:26 AM
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I trust the CDC/Government implicitly. After all, they have never been wrong.
so we should jettison best practice with regard to vaccines because the government isn't always correct or trustworthy?
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Old 08-19-2015, 08:18 AM
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Unless you are talking about vaccines that DON'T contain mercury-based Thimerosal, Aluminum and Formaldehyde (which would be virtually NONE of them as the ALL do), then yes. Toxins.
This sentence reflects a lot of scientific ignorance. Let's shed some light, shall we?

Here's a start: there's ethylmercury, and there's methylmercury. One accumulates in the body, and one does not. One is in thimerosol and one is not. Guess which one? There was never any danger with thimerosol; it was taken out as a precaution, which turned out to be unfounded, which is why it's still in some vaccines, like the flu vaccine. Know what actually can kill you? The flu. You ingest more mercury (the dangerous kind) from tuna fish or from breaking a fluorescent light bulb.

Aluminum is used as an adjuvant to improve the vaccine's efficacy. It's also present in a lot of other things. An infant gets more aluminum from breast milk than he does from vaccines (4mg vs 10mg, higher for formula fed babies, and much higher for soy-based formula). And if you've ever taken Maalox, you've ingested 200 mg of aluminum in a single dose.

Our own bodies produce formaldehyde when we digest citrus. It's essential to forming DNA and amino acids. A 6 year old child naturally has more formaldehyde in his blood than in all of the childhood vaccines combined. Hell, a single APPLE has more formaldehyde than a child would ever get in a doctor's visit from vaccines.

And here is where scientific ignorance becomes really clear. Toxicity is about dose, not substance. Formaldehyde is harmless, nay, NECESSARY in certain levels, dangerous at high levels (like for people who work in construction or smokers).

When it comes to vaccines, the only "toxin" is the actual disease the vaccine is protecting the child against. That's why there's aluminum in some vaccines- it reduces the amount of the actual toxin (the virus) necessary to spark our amazing immune system's reaction.

So no. None of those things you cited are toxins in vaccines.
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