a few trainers who are off to a slow start at the spa

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i blame wilkes failure on julian l who is just trying hard enough not to get fired

I tend to agree.

[Kasept]

Wilkes with 3 wins at Ellis over the weekend and 29/8-5-8 overall. It's simply hard to win at SAR when every race you're in has layers of contenders. And here's what he's sent out so far.. Free as a Bird the lone favorite he's run.

26-1
39-1
3-2 (Free as a Bird 2nd in Caress)
11-1
9-2
35-1 (Taketheodds 3rd in Shine Again)
53-1
49-1
9-1 (Neck 'n Neck 3rd in Alydar)
10-1
21-1
5-2
15-1
5-1
10-1
5-2

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Wilkes with 3 wins at Ellis over the weekend and 29/8-5-8 overall. It's simply hard to win at SAR when every race you're in has layers of contenders. And here's what he's sent out so far.. Free as a Bird the lone favorite he's run.

26-1
39-1
3-2 (Free as a Bird 2nd in Caress)
11-1
9-2
35-1 (Taketheodds 3rd in Shine Again)
53-1
49-1
9-1 (Neck 'n Neck 3rd in Alydar)
10-1
21-1
5-2
15-1
5-1
10-1
5-2

Steve, when you see numbers like these, particularly early in the meeting, you start to wonder whether horses are being placed into conditions where they are actually competitive. Hopefully, there will be a turnaround during the final weeks of the meeting.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I tend to agree.

Have already written more statistical information on the Leparoux/Lanerie season than the performances have warranted. Hope that both manage to catch some live action as they are surely better than their current records ... but as a bettor ... you have to play the game in a dispassionate manner.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

Have already written more statistical information on the Leparoux/Lanerie season than the performances have warranted. Hope that both manage to catch some live action as they are surely better than their current records ... but as a bettor ... you have to play the game in a dispassionate manner.

I'm not sure they are both certainly better.Julian used to be, feels to me like he has been sliding downward for a few years now. Lanerie is OK in Kentucky, he is totally over matched when he comes here.

[TheSpyder]

Conversely, what about Dutrow, every year bringing it. I swore to bet him and missed, and with the seconds, I would of lost but man he comes loaded.

[cakes44]

Leparoux seriously won the Eclipse in 2006.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Leparoux seriously won the Eclipse in 2006.

He was pretty good. Riding good horses for snake man and I think Frankel a little.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I'm not sure they are both certainly better.Julian used to be, feels to me like he has been sliding downward for a few years now. Lanerie is OK in Kentucky, he is totally over matched when he comes here.

I've always felt that Julian stunk at every track not named Keeneland.

[Pants II]

My memory is possibly fried and I haven't looked up the numbers to verify.........but....

Leparoux got fat on synthetic.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Pants II

My memory is possibly fried and I haven't looked up the numbers to verify.........but....

Leparoux got fat on synthetic.

Mine too but I seem to recall him being a pretty solid rider on the turf with off the pace horses. Not so much with need the lead types.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by jms62

Mine too but I seem to recall him being a pretty solid rider on the turf with off the pace horses. Not so much with need the lead types.

True. But I also factor in that when the sport was overrun with synthetic tracks that it changed the conditioning of other jockeys and actually negatively affected most of them while benefiting a small portion of them like Leparoux and Rosario.

Now Rosario is showing signs of life at Toga but he hasn't been necessarily setting the woods on fire the past two years.