Another breakdown at Turfway

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

That would be a vested interest, Euro. I have no issue with you... I don't think you're Kycherub and quite frankly, I don't care if you are. It just seems to me that you are completely biased on the polytrack issue and it would be nice if you took a moment to look at the negatives as well...

I have looked at the negatives and I have said that enough is enough when it comes to a synthetic surface. I believe there should be a 3rd surface. Do the negatives outweigh the positives--imo, NO. Are the negatives that people bring up a big deal NO. The kickback is no big deal, the clumping can be a minor problem. Do you want to the know the real negative of a synthetic surface that no one mentions....well here it is and this one is a HUGE deal. The surface is so forgiving that it is hard to detect a minor injury that can compound in a serious one. For example: horses with a stone bruise travel effortlessly over the surface. Get them on a dirt surface and they are in pain. To me this is the major problem with Poly. Kickback, clumps, breathing are just topics to bitch. If you want to talk the negatives then bring up a true negative--not something to bitch about.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I have looked at the negatives and I have said that enough is enough when it comes to a synthetic surface. I believe there should be a 3rd surface. Do the negatives outweigh the positives--imo, NO. Are the negatives that people bring up a big deal NO. The kickback is no big deal, the clumping can be a minor problem. Do you want to the know the real negative of a synthetic surface that no one mentions....well here it is and this one is a HUGE deal. The surface is so forgiving that it is hard to detect a minor injury that can compound in a serious one. For example: horses with a stone bruise travel effortlessly over the surface. Get them on a dirt surface and they are in pain. To me this is the major problem with Poly. Kickback, clumps, breathing are just topics to bitch. If you want to talk the negatives then bring up a true negative--not something to bitch about.

Actually, if I recall, Cunningham brought that issue up numerous times...

We won't know the full impact on breathing issues for a while, anyway... this is the kind of stuff that may not show an immediate reaction, but may show it later on in life. I, for one, believe that it would have been more beneficial to spend the money needed to improve on the condition of the former dirt surface, rather than the millions spent on this synthetic stuff.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Actually, if I recall, Cunningham brought that issue up numerous times...

We won't know the full impact on breathing issues for a while, anyway... this is the kind of stuff that may not show an immediate reaction, but may show it later on in life. I, for one, believe that it would have been more beneficial to spend the money needed to improve on the condition of the former dirt surface, rather than the millions spent on this synthetic stuff.

I agree with you when it comes to a place like Keeneland and the Cali tracks. But for a place like Woodbine and Turfway it makes more sense to have a synthetic surface. I dont remember Cunningham posting that but thanks for letting us know.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I agree with you when it comes to a place like Keeneland and the Cali tracks. But for a place like Woodbine and Turfway it makes more sense to have a synthetic surface. I dont remember Cunningham posting that but thanks for letting us know.

Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

ever been to Canada this time of year?....ok now how about LA this time of year?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by dr. fager

ever been to Canada this time of year?....ok now how about LA this time of year?

No, actually I haven't. I'm sorry, but is your name Euro? Didn't think so.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

No, actually I haven't. I'm sorry, but is your name Euro? Didn't think so.

Is your name Joel or are you his proxy?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

Woodbine and Turfway lost many days to bad track conditions. Also, the tracks would get wet and freeze and then melt making the conditions very dangerous. Keeneland and Cali do not have these problems. I think their dirt surfaces could have improved by fixing them. But Woodbine and Turfway cannot control the weather.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Woodbine and Turfway lost many days to bad track conditions. Also, the tracks would get wet and freeze and then melt making the conditions very dangerous. Keeneland and Cali do not have these problems. I think their dirt surfaces could have improved by fixing them. But Woodbine and Turfway cannot control the weather.

Don't you think that further testing on synthetic surfaces should have been done though before installing them? It seems to me that the clumping, etc. going on with the polytrack isn't beneficial either.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Don't you think that further testing on synthetic surfaces should have been done though before installing them? It seems to me that the clumping, etc. going on with the polytrack isn't beneficial either.

Not really. I mean, where are you going to test. I know this may not sound right, but the only way to test is to install it and race on it and then fix it. I also think that Cali and Arlington jumped the gun. It makes sense for Keeneland, Turfway and Woodbine.