2 year old campaign poll!!!!

King Glorious · #1 12-10-2006, 01:22 PM

I guess that's not too surprising since I'm not a trainer. By the way, can u tell me which Derby horses u have trained so I can see the type of schedule u have used?

#2 12-10-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I guess that's not too surprising since I'm not a trainer. By the way, can u tell me which Derby horses u have trained so I can see the type of schedule u have used?

Thats a cute answer, really cute.
Could you tell US which horse in Derby history even won the ****ing race without a two turn prep?
This is incredulous.

Cannon Shell · #3 12-11-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I guess that's not too surprising since I'm not a trainer. By the way, can u tell me which Derby horses u have trained so I can see the type of schedule u have used?

Despite not having any Derby quality horses I do know enough about training to know that it is NOT easy to simulate race conditions in a workout and two turn "experience" in the morning is virtually useless in regards to two turn experience in the afternoon. Of course you wanted a fresh horse coming into the Derby which is why your schedule called for a mile race 7 days prior? This whole subject is not really pertinent because different horses call for different schedules.

A lot of times the only schedule that matters is the one the owner plots and King if you are the owner, the trainer is in for a whole lot of trouble.

#4 12-11-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Despite not having any Derby quality horses I do know enough about training to know that it is NOT easy to simulate race conditions in a workout and two turn "experience" in the morning is virtually useless in regards to two turn experience in the afternoon. Of course you wanted a fresh horse coming into the Derby which is why your schedule called for a mile race 7 days prior? This whole subject is not really pertinent because different horses call for different schedules.

A lot of times the only schedule that matters is the one the owner plots and King if you are the owner, the trainer is in for a whole lot of trouble.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Best quote ever was from Peter Miller, when he said up on being fired by someone, " i just don't think its possible to train from the office of a furnitire store in Texas".

Nascar1966 · #5 12-13-2006, 08:51 AM

I would go the Fair Grounds route. Lots of great food and I would have to drink at least one hurricane, skylab, and typhoon at Pat O'brien so I could get the glasses for those drinks. Besides that you have Mardi Gras and all the festivities leading up to Fat Tuesday, which I enjoyed when I was in Slidell. I think the awesome is why I gained some weight when I was living there. Nothing like some good old red beans and rice or a shrimp poboy dressed. Yummy Yummy!!!!

King Glorious · #6 12-10-2006, 03:02 PM

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Aren't you the one that thought Discreet Cat should have run in the BC Mile?

Is he not the best miler in the world?

King Glorious · #7 12-10-2006, 03:19 PM

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Maybe the best dirt miler, although I am not going to annoint him the next coming yet. Not to bring the whole thing up again, and I know I brought it up. but, there is a huge difference between dirt, and turf racing. just as there is a huge difference between training and racing. You don't feel there is a difference with either, so frankly a discussion about it would be pointless.

That's not true. I do feel there is a difference and the lesser the horse, the more difficulty they will have switching. But I don't think it matters as much for the truly top horses. Do I know for a fact that Discreet Cat would win the Mile? Of course not. But I think that distance would have been better for him than either the Sprint or the Classic. Did anyone know Lure would run better on grass than he did on dirt? What about War Chant? Prized? Three examples of horses that went on to win BC races in either their first or second starts on the grass. And what about all of the horses that run on grass and then run well on dirt in their first start like Sakhee, Giant's Causeway, Arcangues, Johannesburg, Arazi, etc? People act like it's totally impossible for horses to go from one surface to the other. I'm not going to sit here and discount Discreet Cat's chances before he's even tried it. To me, that's sillier than suggesting he try it. I come from the school of thought that says first u find a horse's best distance then u find a class level that he fits at. Then u worry about the surface.

blackthroatedwind · #8 12-10-2006, 03:22 PM

Lure's BC Mile in 1992 was his third career turf start.

King Glorious · #9 12-10-2006, 03:30 PM

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Lure's BC Mile in 1992 was his third career turf start.

Thanks. I thought it was his second after the Kelso.

blackthroatedwind · #10 12-10-2006, 03:31 PM

He won an allowance race before losing the Kelso.

King Glorious · #11 12-10-2006, 03:44 PM

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Question, do you think there is a big difference between running one turn and two? Because IMO there is a big difference running in 4 and 5 horse fileds going a one turn mile, than 13 or 14 going two turns, on a surface that you've never tried before.

If u are a come from behind horse, it could be a big difference. If u are a speed horse that gets whatever position u want, I think it's less of an issue. Talking about field size. As for the whole running one or two turns, I think that it could be an issue. It is for a lot of horses. But I'm not going to automatically assume that a horse can't do it. It seems that u lean toward assuming that he can't while I lean toward assuming that he can. What I was doing was looking at the three options for him, the Sprint, Mile, and Classic. All three would have presented new challenges to him. I felt that the Mile would have been the easiest of the three. Not easy in an of itself but the easiest of the three.

pmayjr · #12 12-10-2006, 03:26 PM

There will be a slight twist in Derby Preps if you go the KY route (lol I said "KY Route" tee he he he he).

Because it will be Poly-track at both Turfway and Keeneland now instead of just at Turfway. For that horse that maybe finishes a consistent 2nd or 3rd on that stuff in Derby Preps... might get my "Street Sense" up for when he switches to the dirt hehe.

But recent history shows the way to go is Arkansas

blackthroatedwind · #13 12-10-2006, 03:29 PM

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But recent history shows the way to go is Arkansas

I'm sorry.....you're suggesting that prepping in Arkansas is some sort of magic elixor?

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