Beyer Speed Figure question (Belmont)

[tector]

Either you largely buy into the premise of the figs or you don't (including the retro calculation for 1973). If you do, then comparisons over decades are no more problematic than say comparisons in the same year. YMMV.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by tector

Either you largely buy into the premise of the figs or you don't (including the retro calculation for 1973). If you do, then comparisons over decades are no more problematic than say comparisons in the same year. YMMV.

That's more where I was at. Why have a figure if it does not simplify the comparison? Within some percentage, comparisons should make sense between the figures and the horses who attained them.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by tector

Either you largely buy into the premise of the figs or you don't (including the retro calculation for 1973). If you do, then comparisons over decades are no more problematic than say comparisons in the same year. YMMV.

I do buy into the BSF premise and it's an important ingredient in my capping. Still, it's not a perfect science by any means. Errors which may be small when comparing horses' races over the course of a few weeks can get magnified when looking at different years or different decades.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by tector

Either you largely buy into the premise of the figs or you don't (including the retro calculation for 1973). If you do, then comparisons over decades are no more problematic than say comparisons in the same year. YMMV.

The length of time in between isn't the main issue; I was just pointing out the 42 years for emphasis. The issue is that it's futile to look at the raw time and the Beyer differential between two races on two different racetracks -- they could be a day apart -- and ask if they 'match up.'

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The length of time in between isn't the main issue; I was just pointing out the 42 years for emphasis. The issue is that it's futile to look at the raw time and the Beyer differential between two races on two different racetracks -- they could be a day apart -- and ask if they 'match up.'

and don't racetracks have different run ups? then there's the track itself and the composition, and the climate.
they call belmont big sandy for a reason, it's sandier than most tracks. easy goer loved it, sunday silence, not so much.

[tector]

Let me repeat--you either buy the general premise of figs or you don't. It is apparent from the besides-the-point blathering from some of you that you don't. That's fine, but just say so. A frigging run-up, for but one example, is already built into the system.

Jesus, sometimes this place has the density of a black hole.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by tector

Let me repeat--you either buy the general premise of figs or you don't. It is apparent from the besides-the-point blathering from some of you that you don't. That's fine, but just say so. A frigging run-up, for but one example, is already built into the system.
Jesus, sometimes this place has the density of a black hole.

Please don't generalize 'this place' based on one poster, albeit a poster with an excess of 28K posts.

After all, every village needs an idiot and with RIOT gone AWOL, she's earned it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tector

Let me repeat--you either buy the general premise of figs or you don't. It is apparent from the besides-the-point blathering from some of you that you don't. That's fine, but just say so. A frigging run-up, for but one example, is already built into the system.

Jesus, sometimes this place has the density of a black hole.

i thought the point of coming here was to blather?
and i was referring to the run up in regards to those who mention differing times, not for beyers. if you look at my posts, you'll see i was discussing the times.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i thought the point of coming here was to blather?
and i was referring to the run up in regards to those who mention differing times, not for beyers. if you look at my posts, you'll see i was discussing the times.

Don't get in the way of him sniffing his own farts. DID YOU KNOW BEYER HAS A BEATEN-LENGTHS CHART??? Mind blown.

[tector]

I don't care who buys in to what. But if you are going to discuss something, it would be helpful to first understand it. A difference of opinion does not bother me--stupidity does. As an example, if you buy into the premise of BSFs AT ALL, there has to be a beaten lengths conversion--it is not just a shiny doodad thrown out there to amuse the masses, like some long lost Kardashian sister. It is an essential element.

The rest of this pointless. The four quotes below are there for a reason--one or more of them is invariably implicated in any online discussion. So far we have the 1-3 exacta covered. I know some of you can hit the super.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by tector

Either you largely buy into the premise of the figs or you don't (including the retro calculation for 1973). If you do, then comparisons over decades are no more problematic than say comparisons in the same year. YMMV.

Excellent point.