American Pharoah with authority

[bare it all]

Coolmore has a thing for 2YO eclipse winners.... lol

[FATPIANO]

You can call me a hater, but Funny Cide and Smarty Jones Preakness was more impressive than AP. And we all know that the breeding caught up with both of them in The Belmont. Just like it will do AP in. If Materialty had a clean break, he would be going for The Crown, not AP, Let it rain all you want, Belmont is redemption day for Materiality

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

You can call me a hater, but Funny Cide and Smarty Jones Preakness was more impressive than AP. And we all know that the breeding caught up with both of them in The Belmont. Just like it will do AP in. If Materialty had a clean break, he would be going for The Crown, not AP, Let it rain all you want, Belmont is redemption day for Materiality

Breeding had nothing to do with it.

Funny Cide ran up against a much better horse that was more ready for the Belmont than he had been for the Derby.

SJ's Belmont was, in my eyes, his most impressive race.

[OldDog]

I don't see AP's breeding keeping him from winning the Belmont.

[richard burch]

sad to see...another good one doing the 1-1/2 years and done deal.

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[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Breeding had nothing to do with it.

Funny Cide ran up against a much better horse that was more ready for the Belmont than he had been for the Derby.

SJ's Belmont was, in my eyes, his most impressive race.

Agree.

[RolloTomasi]

Pedigree-wise, American Pharoah would have the worst bottom side both in terms of black type and distance capability in the past 30 years were he to win the Belmont Stakes.

[Indian Charlie]

Afleet Alex had a pretty poor family.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Afleet Alex had a pretty poor family.

Yes, but there was certainly Grade 1 blacktype up close and a boatload more stamina.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Pedigree-wise, American Pharoah would have the worst bottom side both in terms of black type and distance capability in the past 30 years were he to win the Belmont Stakes.

Agreed its been a focus point proven to be a non starter thru 10f's

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Agreed its been a focus point proven to be a non starter thru 10f's

The Belmont Stakes is 12f, Frederick.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Pedigree-wise, American Pharoah would have the worst bottom side both in terms of black type and distance capability in the past 30 years were he to win the Belmont Stakes.

To a degree there has to be some reverse engineering with breeding stats.
American Pharoah's former and future siblings suddenly have black type at a classic distance.

Would it be possible for you to point out a few examples of how distance capability is determined in the female line for former Belmont winners?
(Not including the Belmont winner's accomplishments).

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

Would it be possible for you to point out a few examples of how distance capability is determined in the female line for former Belmont winners?
(Not including the Belmont winner's accomplishments).

1984: Swale's older brother was previously 3rd in the Belmont Stakes. Closely related to a Widener (10f) winner, distance specialist Knightly Manner and Forty Niner (10f). Tale of Verve hails from this female line, by the way.

1985: Creme Fraiche was out of a Delaware Hcp (10f) winner, his half-sister produced millionaire and broodmare money machine Clear Mandate (10f), who dropped Newfoundland and Full Mandate (sire of Ron The Greek).

1986: Danzig Connection, full brother to Roi Danzig (9f), closely related to Widener winner and Belmont Stakes placed Pine Circle, Ravens Pass (10f), E Dubai (10f), Just As Well (12f), and Rainbow View (10f).

1987: Bet Twice was a half to Grade 1 winner Golden Treat, hails from Calumet foundation mare Nellie Flag who also figures in the pedigree of fellow Belmont winner Bold Forbes.

1988: Risen Star was out of top distance mare Ribbon (11f), descends from the Aga Khan foundation mare Mumtaz Mahal.

1989: Easy Goer was out of Relaxing (13f), closely related to Strolling Along (12f), Easy Now (G1), Cadillacing (G1), descends from La Troienne.

1990: Go And Go's second dam was B Thoughtful's arch rival Grenzen, who produced Twilight Agenda (10f) and the dam of Media Puzzle (Melbourne Cup 16f) and Classic winner Refuse To Bend (10f).

1991: Hansel was a half to Lahint, related to Canadian champion Ten Gold Pots, and Anet.

1992: AP Indy was a half to Preakness winner and classic sire Summer Squall, top sire Honor Grades, closely related to fellow Belmont winner Lemon Drop Kid, Mambo in Seattle, and Court Vision. Fellow Belmont winner Tonalist also comes from this line.

1993: Colonial Affair was closely related to distance specialists Stark South and Terpsichorist, the latter the second dam of fellow Belmont winner Union Rags.

1994: Tabasco Cat was related to Canadian champion One For Rose (10f) and Purple Passion.

1995: Thunder Gulch's 2nd dam was a champion in Europe that placed in the Ascot Gold Cup (20f), and was related to More Light (12f).

1996: Editor's Note is closely related to distance specialist Micromanage, Walk Close, Arkadian Hero, Field Cat (18f), Hennessy, Pearl City, Shy Tom (11f).

1997: Touch Gold was a half to Canadian Triple Crown winner With Approval (12f), was related to Serenading (10f).

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Breeding had nothing to do with it.

Funny Cide ran up against a much better horse that was more ready for the Belmont than he had been for the Derby.

SJ's Belmont was, in my eyes, his most impressive race.

and it also was wet that day which funnycide did not like.

F. CIDE - Career Earnings: $3,529,412 38 starts

E. MAKER - Career Earnings: $1,985,800 8 starts

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by richard burch

and it also was wet that day which funnycide did not like.

F. CIDE - Career Earnings: $3,529,412 38 starts

E. MAKER - Career Earnings: $1,985,800 8 starts

You forgot:
F. CIDE - Gelding
E. MAKER- Colt

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

You forgot:
F. CIDE - Gelding
E. MAKER- Colt

True, and it's why I would be a lot more excited and supportive if it was a gelding going for the TC.