2015: American Pharoah becomes 12th Triple Crown winner

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Did Haskin really say that?

If so, that's disgraceful even for him.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The reasoning was that all but one of the Triple Crown winners since the 1930s (6 out of 7) were previously crowned as 2yo champions.

Haskin wrote that AP was the first since Spectacular Bid to "fit the profile" of previous TC winners. But I don't think Haskin said AP was the only deserving contender since Spectacular Bid. Here's what he wrote at BloodHorse:

"And the reality is this: American Pharoah is the first Derby and Preakness winner since Spectacular Bid to fit the profile of a Triple Crown winner. The naming of champions didn’t begin until the late 1930s, and since then, six of the seven Triple Crown winners – Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Citation, Count Fleet, and Whirlaway all were 2-year-old champions (either in the Daily Racing Form or Turf and Sport Digest polls), as, of course, was American Pharoah, who is the first juvenile champion since Spectacular Bid 36 years ago to attempt a Triple Crown sweep.

In addition, Triple Crown winners Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Citation, Count Fleet, War Admiral, and Gallant Fox all won the Belmont Stakes wire to wire. Even the late-running Whirlaway was sent to the lead early in the race. As everyone is well aware, American Pharoah certainly fits that profile as well."


http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...s-the-day.aspx

--Dunbar

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Haskin wrote that AP was the first since Spectacular Bid to "fit the profile" of previous TC winners. But I don't think Haskin said AP was the only deserving contender since Spectacular Bid. Here's what he wrote at BloodHorse:

"And the reality is this: American Pharoah is the first Derby and Preakness winner since Spectacular Bid to fit the profile of a Triple Crown winner. The naming of champions didn’t begin until the late 1930s, and since then, six of the seven Triple Crown winners – Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Citation, Count Fleet, and Whirlaway all were 2-year-old champions (either in the Daily Racing Form or Turf and Sport Digest polls), as, of course, was American Pharoah, who is the first juvenile champion since Spectacular Bid 36 years ago to attempt a Triple Crown sweep.

In addition, Triple Crown winners Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Citation, Count Fleet, War Admiral, and Gallant Fox all won the Belmont Stakes wire to wire. Even the late-running Whirlaway was sent to the lead early in the race. As everyone is well aware, American Pharoah certainly fits that profile as well."


http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...s-the-day.aspx

--Dunbar

Who knew Triple Crown winners had a profile. Did Smarty Jones get caught by Birdstone because he suddenly realized at the eighth pole that he wasn't 2YO champion?

[Indian Charlie]

Two things.

Haskin is over the top and reaching, but I see no reason to get bent out of shape. It's just an opinion.

Rollo suddenly seems to have both reading comprehension difficulties and really odd selective memory problems.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Two things.

Haskin is over the top and reaching, but I see no reason to get bent out of shape. It's just an opinion.

And yet you are quite sensitive to over the top and reaching opinions about American Pharaoh.

Rollo suddenly seems to have both reading comprehension difficulties and really odd selective memory problems.

I blame the public school system.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

And yet you are quite sensitive to over the top and reaching opinions about American Pharaoh.


I blame the public school system.

wrong again, on both counts.

You previously were very sharp, so unless you recently enrolled, that's not likely it.

My best guess would be a strong bias. Say, against the horse, connections, etc.

Second guess would be traumas, be it emotional or some sort of head trauma.

Third would be you are an imposter, not the real Rollo. Maybe you've channelled the old pg1985, smooth operator, or even Somerset.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

wrong again, on both counts.

You previously were very sharp, so unless you recently enrolled, that's not likely it.

My best guess would be a strong bias. Say, against the horse, connections, etc.

Ridiculous. Just re-read this thread from the point after the Preakness was run.

The first comment on the race was someone saying that Mr. Z. made $45k running 5th. You come on with the second comment on the race. It is completely out of left field, whining about all the excuses being made for the also-rans and how AP should get a huge Beyer but probably won't (you know, because the whole universe is against him!). No one had even commented on the running of the race at that point.

Later, you come back on with a rant about weak crops and perfect setups and how everyone is accusing you of chest-thumping. The only Preakness comment in between is something about Martin Garcia helping out by keeping Dortmund off the lead.

So, again, I ask you: where are these ridiculous comments about American Pharaoh that you are crusading against?

Second guess would be traumas, be it emotional or some sort of head trauma.

I thought that was required to post here. Aren't we all sitting around in white undershirts and pants waiting around for Nurse Ratched to turn on TVG?

Third would be you are an imposter, not the real Rollo. Maybe you've channelled the old pg1985, smooth operator, or even Somerset.

Oddly, the only one to bite with a response to your hysterics is a poster (NavalOrange---the dam of Cryptoclearance) who posts even less frequently then I do.

Hmmmm. Imposters you say...

One might have just flown over the cuckoo's nest...

[Danzig]

[quote=RolloTomasi;1027780]Ridiculous. Just re-read this thread from the point after the Preakness was run.

The first comment on the race was someone saying that Mr. Z. made $45k running 5th. You come on with the second comment on the race. It is completely out of left field, whining about all the excuses being made for the also-rans and how AP should get a huge Beyer but probably won't (you know, because the whole universe is against him!). No one had even commented on the running of the race at that point.

Later, you come back on with a rant about weak crops and perfect setups and how everyone is accusing you of chest-thumping. The only Preakness comment in between is something about Martin Garcia helping out by keeping Dortmund off the lead.

So, again, I ask you: where are these ridiculous comments about American Pharaoh that you are crusading against?


I thought that was required to post here. Aren't we all sitting around in white undershirts and pants waiting around for Nurse Ratched to turn on TVG?



Oddly, the only one to bite with a response to your hysterics is a poster (NavalOrange---the dam of Cryptoclearance) who posts even less frequently then I do.

Hmmmm. Imposters you say...

One might have just flown over the cuckoo's nest...[/QUOTE]


i wonder about that adage...because cuckoos don't nest. they lay their eggs in another birds nest after kicking out that birds eggs, and get the other bird to raise their kids.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Who knew Triple Crown winners had a profile. Did Smarty Jones get caught by Birdstone because he suddenly realized at the eighth pole that he wasn't 2YO champion?

I think it is a dilemma. The tc is a hard thing to pull off....but as ive asked here in the past, is it like flipping a coin? That is to say, just because we have seen heads flipped every year since affirmed, the odds on flipping tails on the next toss is still 50 50...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I think it is a dilemma. The tc is a hard thing to pull off....but as ive asked here in the past, is it like flipping a coin? That is to say, just because we have seen heads flipped every year since affirmed, the odds on flipping tails on the next toss is still 50 50...

actually, coin flips, they aren't quite 50/50.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

actually, coin flips, they aren't quite 50/50.

Even a coin flip can generate controversy on here? Im going to bed.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Who knew Triple Crown winners had a profile. Did Smarty Jones get caught by Birdstone because he suddenly realized at the eighth pole that he wasn't 2YO champion?

Right, and I'm pretty sure Real Quiet was thinking to himself, "If only I'd been 2-yr-old Champion", while they were looking at the photo.

I agree it's nonsense. Similar to many of the Derby "angles" that are coughed up each year. I only quoted it to show there was nothing in it about "deserving" to be a TC winner that I could find.

--Dunbar

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Who knew Triple Crown winners had a profile. Did Smarty Jones get caught by Birdstone because he suddenly realized at the eighth pole that he wasn't 2YO champion?

I thought he got caught because he realized he was by Elusive Quality out of a Smile mare..