How Is Obamacare Working Out for You?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Interesting piece on a guy who chose not to get coverage under the Affordable Care Act, had something bad happen, and now, because the deadline has passed, can't get coverage.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/new...e20696283.html

He made choices, they were the wrong ones, and he's still blaming Obama for it. It would be funny if his situation weren't so sad.

that same thing happens every day, with every type of insurance. it's mindboggling.
a few years back when sandy hit the northeast, a woman was complaining on tv, online, all over....she had a homeowners policy, but of course it doesn't cover flood.
they had a flood policy, but they cancelled because they'd paid more over the years for it, than they'd gotten any back (an odd way to view insurance, it's not an investment). so, she had no house any more cause it got washed away--um, you're an idiot. and it wasn't allstates fault you're an idiot
people bad mouth insurance til the sun goes down. til they need it. they think it's a waste of money, til they need it.

i really hope we get single payer soon...i'm tired of the current state of affairs. the old system was unworkable and broken, so is the new one.
put everyone on medicare, today. that gets rid of medicaid and all associated issues/red tape, etc.
no more health care thru employers, no more yearly enrollments, no irs involved, none of that. health insurance companies can sell supplements to whoever wants it/needs it like they do now for medicare patients. blam, done.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that same thing happens every day, with every type of insurance. it's mindboggling.
a few years back when sandy hit the northeast, a woman was complaining on tv, online, all over....she had a homeowners policy, but of course it doesn't cover flood.
they had a flood policy, but they cancelled because they'd paid more over the years for it, than they'd gotten any back (an odd way to view insurance, it's not an investment). so, she had no house any more cause it got washed away--um, you're an idiot. and it wasn't allstates fault you're an idiot
people bad mouth insurance til the sun goes down. til they need it. they think it's a waste of money, til they need it.

i really hope we get single payer soon...i'm tired of the current state of affairs. the old system was unworkable and broken, so is the new one.
put everyone on medicare, today. that gets rid of medicaid and all associated issues/red tape, etc.
no more health care thru employers, no more yearly enrollments, no irs involved, none of that. health insurance companies can sell supplements to whoever wants it/needs it like they do now for medicare patients. blam, done.

I agree. Everyone needs health care at some point in their lives; it makes no sense to treat it as "insurance." This guy is a classic example. He didn't need health care until he did.

As was pointed out on the site where I found the link to the article, pre-ACA it's not like he'd be doing any better, because fat chance that any private health insurers would have taken him, what with his diabetes as a pre-existing condition. Or, also possible, they'd have taken him and charged him a sh*tload in premiums, but disallowed any health issues that arose as a result of his diabetes. Like this eye surgery.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

As was pointed out on the site where I found the link to the article, pre-ACA it's not like he'd be doing any better, because fat chance that any private health insurers would have taken him, what with his diabetes as a pre-existing condition. Or, also possible, they'd have taken him and charged him a sh*tload in premiums, but disallowed any health issues that arose as a result of his diabetes. Like this eye surgery.

This idiot admits to neglecting his diabetes and his health in general and should be held responsible. Young, healthy, non-smoking, diet conscience, fit individuals just starting off their professional careers in no way should be subsidizing him. For Christ sake he's going blind with a $300K house and still has the audacity to complain with a pack of smokes in his breast pocket. He should pay, no one else!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

This idiot admits to neglecting his diabetes and his health in general and should be held responsible. Young, healthy, non-smoking, diet conscience, fit individuals just starting off their professional careers in no way should be subsidizing him. For Christ sake he's going blind with a $300K house and still has the audacity to complain with a pack of smokes in his breast pocket. He should pay, no one else!

I take it you would also like to see Medicare abolished so the elderly can fend for themselves, too?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I take it you would also like to see Medicare abolished so the elderly can fend for themselves, too?

Of course not, however since the average age a person lives/works has gone up so should the minimum qualifying age for Medicare and SS.

I also think cigarette and liquor taxes should be dedicated exclusively to healthcare just as SS payments be dedicated to the SS system.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Of course not, however since the average age a person lives/works has gone up so should the minimum qualifying age for Medicare and SS.

Why not? If the elderly had taken better care of themselves when they were younger, they wouldn't need health care. That's your argument- people's health problems are their own faults. Explain to me, since you're clearly a medical expert, what my mom, who died at 35 from breast cancer, did to give it to herself. Because I'm sure the medical community would love to know.

I've got news for you; people smoke and never suffer health problems, people never smoke and die of lung cancer. My maternal grandparents were both thin their whole lives and they both still ended up with Type 2 diabetes. This guy was an idiot for smoking, but he was a bigger idiot for flouting the law and not buying health insurance when it was made possible for someone like him, with a preexisting condition, to do so. That said, to quote an excellent comment I read about this:

"Being a progressive and a liberal means having compassion for others, even those who make stupid ****ing mistakes. Although I think the guy is 100% wrong, I don’t think he should go blind because he’s a moron. If you do, you need to seriously go and reevaluate your moral system."

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Why not? If the elderly had taken better care of themselves when they were younger, they wouldn't need health care.

Get real.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

That's your argument- people's health problems are their own faults. Explain to me, since you're clearly a medical expert, what my mom, who died at 35 from breast cancer, did to give it to herself. Because I'm sure the medical community would love to know.

Sometimes it's not their fault, but it's also not mine or anyone else's fault, sans maybe you're maternal grandmother's family genes for your mom's (sorry) breast cancer.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I've got news for you; people smoke and never suffer health problems, people never smoke and die of lung cancer.

I encourage you to lookup smoking and its relationship to lung cancer.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

My maternal grandparents were both thin their whole lives and they both still ended up with Type 2 diabetes.

Again family history may be to blame but certainly young healthy individuals were/are not.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This guy was an idiot for smoking, but he was a bigger idiot for flouting the law and not buying health insurance when it was made possible for someone like him, with a preexisting condition, to do so.

I still maintain he was a bigger idiot for smoking and currently is a complete douche bag, moron to continue smoking while "crying woe is me."

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

"Being a progressive and a liberal means having compassion for others, even those who make stupid ****ing mistakes. Although I think the guy is 100% wrong, I don’t think he should go blind because he’s a moron. If you do, you need to seriously go and reevaluate your moral system."

I don't think he should go blind because he's a moron and am sorry for his situation. However being a reality based, fiscal conservative, I have a clear conscience that I bear no responsibility for his situation.

Contrary to what you wrote, being a progressive and liberal means living in a world of feelings rather than facts, holding no one responsible for themselves, and blaming anyone not progressive and liberal for all of life's problems.

A perfect example was when Obama blamed global warming for triggering his daughter's asthma attack rather than considering it might have been his 2nd hand cigarette smoke he was exposing her to. Or blaming LA pollution for not being able to go out for a run instead of sitting inside and smoking pot.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Why not? If the elderly had taken better care of themselves when they were younger, they wouldn't need health care. That's your argument- people's health problems are their own faults. Explain to me, since you're clearly a medical expert, what my mom, who died at 35 from breast cancer, did to give it to herself. Because I'm sure the medical community would love to know.

I've got news for you; people smoke and never suffer health problems, people never smoke and die of lung cancer. My maternal grandparents were both thin their whole lives and they both still ended up with Type 2 diabetes. This guy was an idiot for smoking, but he was a bigger idiot for flouting the law and not buying health insurance when it was made possible for someone like him, with a preexisting condition, to do so. That said, to quote an excellent comment I read about this:

"Being a progressive and a liberal means having compassion for others, even those who make stupid ****ing mistakes. Although I think the guy is 100% wrong, I don’t think he should go blind because he’s a moron. If you do, you need to seriously go and reevaluate your moral system."

i really think people like to point fingers and say 'so and so did it to themselves' because they think they aren't stupid, and therefore will never need assistance-they're too smart, so it'll never happen to them. and then it happens to them, and they're blindsided.
he was an idiot for not buying, especially considering his health issues he already had. that's why everyone should buy-you might not need it now, but someday you might. and if you wait one minute too long-well, that's all it takes to royally screw up.
but if everyone just had it, there wouldn't be a need for the yearly enrollments and the like...no need to worry about your tax return, if you got a raise, or married/divorced.
health care is as much a necessity as food and water, and oxygen.